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Kammerherren
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Ruger No.1 weight
      #184642 - 26/06/11 08:27 PM

Hello Gents,
I`m new to this forum, but I have been reading for a while. I found the time ready to ask for some assistance. I am thinking of getting a No.1 in 450/400NE, but I am a bit worried about the recoil. I wonder if anybody here can tell me why the 450/400NE is so much lighter then the 458LOT and the 375H&H? I really like the 450/400NE, and finaly it is possible to get hold on a rifle for this cartridge for a fair price. I have a Brno 602 custom rifle in 375H&H today, and the recoil on that is no problem, but I have never fired a 450/400, so I just expect it to have a bit heavier recoil. I have no intensions of using a scope on the No.1, so i belive it should work fine, but I`m just not sure. As you can see on the Ruger homepage there are some differense in the weight between the rifles. I was told by a friend of mine that the No.1 have a terrible recoil because of the shape of the stock, but I find that hard to belive since the stock is very classic.
Thanks for any advise.

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Tatume
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: Kammerherren]
      #184646 - 26/06/11 09:01 PM

The shape of the stock on the No. 1 is very comfortable to me. Among mine are a 458 Win Mag and another chambered in 375 H&H. I find them quite comfortable.

On your webpage, what is the caplock rifle in the watermark?

Take care, Tom

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Kammerherren
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: Tatume]
      #184647 - 26/06/11 09:23 PM

Thanks Tom,
What you say about the stock sounds good. I guess the best thing i can do is to find someone with a No.1 in a B5 caliber and test it myself. The only problem is that i don`t think there is a singel No.1 450/400NE in Norway...... I know of a 458Win, so I belive i should test that one.

The rifle you ask about on my webpage is a Danish/Norwegian M1774/41/51 rifle. It startet as a flintlock musket in 1774, rebuildt into percusion in 1841 and got rifles and a new rear sight in 1851. It was actually buildt at Kronborg in Denmark around 1774.

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CommandCar
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: Kammerherren]
      #184652 - 26/06/11 10:54 PM

John Taylor, in "African Rifles and Cartridges", has a table that lists ballistics of the African Cartridges and includes rifle weights.

A Double in .400 3" - 9-10 lbs
Single in .400 3" - 8 1/2-9 lbs

Ruger states 7 3/4 lbs, I've had some experience with manufactured rifles weighing alot more than indicated on their tables. Are they leaving about 1 lbs off for a scope, sling, etc?

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portdivers
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: CommandCar]
      #184655 - 27/06/11 12:02 AM

I shoot my No.1 just fine, I too read all the horrible things that will happen to you, it didn't.

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BillfromOregon
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: portdivers]
      #184659 - 27/06/11 01:28 AM

Kammerherren, I'm looking at the same rifle in the same chambering myself. I also noticed the apparent weight discrepancy on the Ruger Web site, which I find very curious. The Ruger No. 1s do seem to kick a little harder than other designs in the same caliber, in my experience. Nice thing is that a good Decellerator or Limbsaver recoil pad and perhaps a bit of extra weight in the stock bolt hole will soak up a lot of the recoil and allow you to fine-tune the rifle's balance. I've shot a No. 1 that was rechambered from .458 to .450 NE and found the recoil just tolerable, but I don't have the high threshhold for recoil that many other shooters seem to have. I think you'll find the .450-400 very easy to shoot. And of course you can change the performance/recoil level with handloading.
Good luck getting your hands on one.

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Kammerherren
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: BillfromOregon]
      #184672 - 27/06/11 05:09 AM

I Just had a look at Blaser`s kickstoper. Is there any reason why this should not work just as well on a No.1? If there are space problems, there are a shorter model as well. Link to kickstopper: =6&tx_ttnews[backPid]=470&cHash=2ebf1a598c]web page

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BillfromOregon
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: Kammerherren]
      #184673 - 27/06/11 05:20 AM

K: I suspect a coil of lead wire would work just as well and be considerably cheaper.

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hws
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: Kammerherren]
      #184676 - 27/06/11 05:31 AM

My No.1 H .450/400 - 3"NE weighs 9.17lbs. scoped with a 1 X 4 Leupold (unloaded). I have also replaced the factory recoil pad with a Limbsaver. I find the gun very shootable from field positions, off sticks, etc. but was glad to get my bench work load development done with 400 gr. loads. I find the gun points very naturally and the stock is conducive to easy recoil management. In addition, I do most of my practice/plinking with 210gr. Hornady .41 Mag. pistol bullets loaded over Trail Boss powder which makes this a most fun gun to shoot. In fact I'm finding myself shooting this gun even more than my .22/250 and 6.5 X 55!!!

I have 5 Ruger No.1's in various calibers and none come close to factory weight specifications (all are over). IMHO this is a great gun and caliber for someone wishing to get into a classic big bore caliber.

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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: BillfromOregon]
      #184677 - 27/06/11 05:33 AM

I'm with Bill - less 'hollowing' needed in the buttstock. Pedersoli used a 1 pound bar of lead in their double barreled Kodiaks. My .58 had a weight of 10 1/2 poinds, way too much for a little .58 Round Ball rifle.

A pound might be OK, maybe 1 1/2 pounds - wire, I think, is a good idea due to the hole already there and the wire might be easier to remove if necessary.

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Ben
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: DarylS]
      #184691 - 27/06/11 12:38 PM

The recoil of the Ruger No.1 in .450/.400 3" NE is quite pleasant. I haven't had a problem with it, and have introduced several other people to it as their first experience with big bore rifles, and they all found it to be fine.

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Kammerherren
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: Ben]
      #184699 - 27/06/11 05:09 PM

OK, thank you all,
I guess the best I can do is to get the rifle, and if i feel like it, fill up the stock with lead.
Again, thank you!

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Phillip
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: Kammerherren]
      #185838 - 15/07/11 03:35 AM

This one just a little under 10lbs, 7mm mag with a 8X56 Swaroski for "pigs" at night. It's not really a bother to carry,I'm dropped off close to my stand and sit till midnight...or



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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: Phillip]
      #185839 - 15/07/11 04:05 AM

That is a fcuking huge scope.

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Phillip
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Re: Ruger No.1 weight [Re: bonanza]
      #185841 - 15/07/11 04:17 AM

Some nights, I just sit and look at the Moon craters...Unbelivable how bright it is.

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