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7mmMagnum
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
      #181441 - 13/05/11 09:34 AM

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I am optimistic, Nigel!



Get onto Bob DeVries. I almost slipped over in a pile of drool when i walked into his vault cause he has about 10 Vektor actions on the shelf.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 7mmMagnum]
      #181442 - 13/05/11 09:37 AM

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I am optimistic, Nigel!



Get onto Bob DeVries. I almost slipped over in a pile of drool when i walked into his vault cause he has about 10 Vektor actions on the shelf.




Wow, now that is interesting.

How long ago was that ?

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
      #181447 - 13/05/11 10:59 AM

September.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 7mmMagnum]
      #181451 - 13/05/11 11:20 AM

How many were left after you walked out Nathan (?).

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
      #181453 - 13/05/11 11:41 AM

further note - buddy Keith says Lee told him the Partitions size down just fine.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
      #181454 - 13/05/11 11:45 AM


I wonder why so many.


I also guess they were purchased when the $ was
really low which wouldn't be good.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
      #181461 - 13/05/11 02:52 PM

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How many were left after you walked out Nathan (?).



Same as when i walked in. I was eyeing one off for a 416 Rigby, but i've got my heart set on a fair dinkum honest to god original Magnum Mauser action to build on. I'll never find it, i know, but i live in hope.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 7mmMagnum]
      #181462 - 13/05/11 02:59 PM

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How many were left after you walked out Nathan (?).



Same as when i walked in. I was eyeing one off for a 416 Rigby, but i've got my heart set on a fair dinkum honest to god original Magnum Mauser action to build on. I'll never find it, i know, but i live in hope.




Now that is living with hope. I hope you
do find one as they are superb actions,
just damn big (I have a 505 Gibbs).

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 7mmMagnum]
      #181594 - 14/05/11 10:14 PM

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I am optimistic, Nigel!



Get onto Bob DeVries. I almost slipped over in a pile of drool when i walked into his vault cause he has about 10 Vektor actions on the shelf.



I'd like to slip over too, mate.
How does one meet this DeVries? sorry to sound disconnected...

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
      #181595 - 14/05/11 10:36 PM

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I am optimistic, Nigel!



Get onto Bob DeVries. I almost slipped over in a pile of drool when i walked into his vault cause he has about 10 Vektor actions on the shelf.



I'd like to slip over too, mate.
How does one meet this DeVries? sorry to sound disconnected...




Go to his workshop. North East of Melb in the foot of the Dandenongs, I think Montrose.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
      #181611 - 15/05/11 01:52 AM

Seems to me, they were only around $100.00 in the early 70's around here. That was a lot of money, with bullets at $3.00 per C.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
      #181666 - 16/05/11 12:46 AM

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I am optimistic, Nigel!



Get onto Bob DeVries. I almost slipped over in a pile of drool when i walked into his vault cause he has about 10 Vektor actions on the shelf.



I'd like to slip over too, mate.
How does one meet this DeVries? sorry to sound disconnected...




Go to his workshop. North East of Melb in the foot of the Dandenongs, I think Montrose.


Thanks Mate, on a good day, i can see the dandenongs from home

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
      #183945 - 17/06/11 02:16 AM

A couple of articles, thanks to RigbyMauser.

"The .333 Jeffery" by Koos Barnard

"Think Thirty-Three Calibre" by Gregor Woods

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
      #184277 - 21/06/11 10:47 AM

How would you all feel about putting the .333 Jeffery chamber into a .338 barrel.
This size bore is easy to get and the difference is miniscule. It's about the same difference you get with the older rifles anyway, with some of them being well overbore.
When I get the PTG reamer, I'll be measuring the neck clearance, but I think there will be enough anyway, to allow the .338 bullet in the neck without any modifications to the chamber.

Afro

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: AFRO408]
      #184279 - 21/06/11 11:43 AM

I like the idea a lot.
Would be great to have that wide selection of bullets.
I have never swaged down anything other than lead .308s down to .300" but I still have a tinge of doubt about squeezing jacketed bullets although it is frequently done. Don't know how it doesn't alter the bullets integrity or hardness, but apparently doesn't hurt anything.
The .338" barrel would obviate the issue.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: Huvius]
      #184281 - 21/06/11 12:10 PM

The problem with drawing jacketed bullets down in size, is the difference in the metals.
If the bullet is a bonded core one, like Woodleighs and others, then the jacket can't come away from the core when it springs back.
If the bullet is the cup & core type, then after drawing down, the jacket is not contacting the core as hard as it once was.
Lead has virtually no elasticity whereas copper has.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: AFRO408]
      #184285 - 21/06/11 12:51 PM

AFRO408 - such would definitley seem the case & was what stymied me for years. 9.3x57 got me intersted again in sizing down .375's for my 9.3's and we've found the process much easier than Corbin let on in their data. We also found the dies necessary, needn't cost hundreds of dollars from a 'specialty' bullet drawing, swaging company. Lee will glady make you the necessary dies, we found, for around $25.00 to $30.00 for each .003" in sizing. Indeed, their experience in this venture grows daily, and they now have a very good handle on what's necessary.

What we've found with sizing .375" bullet down to .367" and .366" for our 9.3's, is that they shoot into an inch or better, not losing any accuracy and actually get tougher and penetrate more deeply, rather then becoming innacurate or 'softer'. Whether the jacket and core separate or not, is moot, if they shoot as well and penetrate even better.

We found Hornady bonded Interbond's still stick together and didn't come apart. They had been sized/drawn .009" form stock size, to .366" from .375". That's Hornady's bonding. So far, we haven't tried Woodleigh bonded bullets (that I know of).

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
      #184290 - 21/06/11 06:13 PM

Daryl, what you found, by your experiments, is predictable.
Every time you work copper, it gets harder, hence the experience of the drawn bullets penetrating further and as you say, if they loose their cores in the game animal.....doesn't matter much, so long as they kill it.

I have resized FMJ .303 bullets to shoot in my .308, but they were only for target use and couldn't have come apart anyway.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: AFRO408]
      #184300 - 22/06/11 12:19 AM

Yes - aware of the work-hardening of copper and/or guilding metal.

What Rod's experinents showed, though, was that the cores didn't separate, not from the Bonded cored bullets, lead still 'stuck' to the jacket material, and in the standard drawn cup, swaged ammo, the ones that did separate merely fell apart after stopping, not during the trip.

I'm quite 'taken' with these 'reduced' bullets.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
      #184549 - 25/06/11 04:28 AM

Anyone have any experience with the "Flange" version of the .333 ? Would make a fun project in a Ruger #1 !!!
Robert

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #184589 - 25/06/11 09:44 PM

Making a flanged version in a Ruger Nr.1 should be doable...I just wished Woodleigh could/would make a spitzer a la their PP bullet in 230-240grain. That would turn my .333Jeffery into a versatile battery for around the world.
I am heading for Africa here in August, bringing my .333Jeffery and a Rigby 12bore Ball & Shot gun.

Edited by rigbymauser (25/06/11 09:46 PM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: rigbymauser]
      #184596 - 25/06/11 11:42 PM

That sounds like the perfect "combo" !!!! What country will you be hunting ?
Robert

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: rigbymauser]
      #184607 - 26/06/11 02:36 AM

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Making a flanged version in a Ruger Nr.1 should be doable...I just wished Woodleigh could/would make a spitzer a la their PP bullet in 230-240grain. That would turn my .333Jeffery into a versatile battery for around the world.

I am heading for Africa here in August, bringing my .333Jeffery and a Rigby 12bore Ball & Shot gun.



About any guilding metal, lead core .338" bullet can be drawn down to .333" for the Jeffery or .330" for the .318 or .8x56R. friend on mine just received his dies from Lee, but hasn't brought them over for sizing down bullets yet.

I am convinced that bonded bullets will not be broken loose, that the lead itself moves within itself and the bond is not broken. This is what appeared to happen with Hornady's Interbond .375's.

"Lee" suggested their liquid alox as a sizing lube - they day it makes a superior drawing lube. I'll have to try it some day.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
      #184613 - 26/06/11 06:08 AM

Are those sizing dies a catalog item or do you have to special order them from LEE ?
Robert

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #184614 - 26/06/11 06:46 AM

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That sounds like the perfect "combo" !!!! What country will you be hunting ?
Robert



Zuid Afrika!.

Baboon, warthog, kudu will be digested with the 300grainers from the .333Jeffery. The 12bore Rigby is for gunieafowls.

The .333Jeffery will also be used for an accational steenbok, blesbok or blesbok. Where I really wanted the light spitzers was for the loooong shots at springboks.

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