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bwanabobftw
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: rigbymauser]
#184616 - 26/06/11 07:16 AM

Sounds like fun !!!! Do you shoot your Rigby with balls ?? I have a H&H Paradox I have been working with. I plan on using it on the Guniea as well as some plains game. Good luck !! You will have to hunt the Springbok a little harder to get within range , but it will make it all the sweeter !!!!
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: bwanabobftw]
#184620 - 26/06/11 08:20 AM

Rigbymaster - sized down .338", 225 gr. spitzers (or noslers) might be just the 'ticket' for long shots at appropriate game. The 200gr. Nosler BT. has an exceptionally thick jacket for shooting elk at high speed from a .338 mag. At .333 speeds and drawn down, it should penetrate even better.

The Lee dies are order vis a phone call or written order. They are not listed on their web site.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
#184629 - 26/06/11 03:58 PM

Afro- if its NOT blasphemy,
A 338 barrel, on a 333 chamber, which means 333 cases loaded with 'modern' 338 bullets? Will the 333case take the bullet difference??
Otherwise , are we running 338 per 333 specs?
Intriguing, economical and probably do able-until we get a large run of metford barrels in 333 ?

As Huvius stated at the beginning, we can stamp 338 under the bbl? Will Tophet's suggestion of a colombian action do? I'd like to save the argie 09 for the metford barrel...

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#184631 - 26/06/11 05:41 PM

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Rigbymaster - sized down .338", 225 gr. spitzers (or noslers) might be just the 'ticket' for long shots at appropriate game. The 200gr. Nosler BT. has an exceptionally thick jacket for shooting elk at high speed from a .338 mag. At .333 speeds and drawn down, it should penetrate even better.

The Lee dies are order vis a phone call or written order. They are not listed on their web site.

Thanks Daryl.

Lee might be the way to go.Thanks!!.

BTW. If the good folks here on the forums wants to make .333Jeffery bullets, the .30US carbine brass fits almost perfect for the .333"dia. With a minimum of sizing, one can size the jackets from there. I have thought of finding spended cases for the .30US, size them, and fill them up the lead.

eljefedouble!.

Regarding .333cal vs. 338cal barrel I was in the same dilemma. The thought of choosing a .338cal barrel seems the most logical choice, because of the great bulletselection already available, however I went for the correct dia for the jeffery, which I haven`t regrettet. One must say to himself WHY the jefferycaliber to begin with?. Its the looong bullet in a sexy package that really appeal to most gunbuffs. Buying a 300grain bullet in either .333cal or .338cal cost the same anyway(here in Denmark they do). Another thing is, it is important to remain loyal to the original thought and ideas, aswell as to the originallity of the project. Any architech would say the same thing. Satisfaction follows!.
PS: From where I decided to have a .333jeffery rifle 5 years went. 1 year to find a barrelmaker, 2 years for the barrels to arrive + 2 years on the gunmaker to finish.

Edited by rigbymauser (26/06/11 05:48 PM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: rigbymauser]
#184634 - 26/06/11 06:21 PM

There is also the .333OKH. Brass is available and in the interim you can reform .30-06 brass and only need a standard length action.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#184635 - 26/06/11 06:34 PM

I wouldn't consider it blasphemy, but purists would and if Tony, up at TSE, starts making .333" barrels, the point will be moot.
You would run the .338-333 round just as if it was the original thing, load data would be the same, as would be pressures.
As I wrote before, until I get the reamer, I won't be able to say whether the neck area would have to be opened up or not.
Any M98 action, in good condition, would do for the project.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: AFRO408]
#184637 - 26/06/11 06:41 PM

We must await the reamer then... We can call it 333 Oz?

Rigby Mauser, indeed, the 300 Gr bullet in the svelte cartridge is what 333Jeff means to me. I havent given up on the original, inspite of the slight hijack...
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#184663 - 27/06/11 02:31 AM

That picture (Taylor's African Rifles etc) of the lioness in full STOP, after collecting a 300gr. .333 to the forehead remains forever emblazoned in my subconcious- and reocurs in my mind every time someone mentions .333 Jeffery 300gr. - of course, unles I'm remembering it wrong - HA! woundn't be the first time I got mixed up with memories.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#184685 - 27/06/11 07:32 AM

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That picture (Taylor's African Rifles etc) of the lioness in full STOP, after collecting a 300gr. .333 to the forehead remains forever emblazoned in my subconcious- and reocurs in my mind every time someone mentions .333 Jeffery 300gr. - of course, unles I'm remembering it wrong - HA! woundn't be the first time I got mixed up with memories.

That picture is found in Elmer keiths book `Safari`

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: rigbymauser]
#184688 - 27/06/11 08:25 AM

OH! HA! TKS.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#184868 - 30/06/11 06:30 AM

Just corresponded with Andrew McLaren regarding my upcomming hunt. He wants take me on to Botswana eland, deep into the kalaharis. My .333jeffery is ready. Hope to shoot warthog too this time.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: rigbymauser]
#185327 - 07/07/11 01:19 AM

Keep us posted rigbymauser, will be a good re-testimonial for the 333J

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
#187136 - 03/08/11 12:07 AM

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Just heard from TSE barrels. They hope to have .333 barrels soon. Their Tony is working on it and my have buttons available in 2 months.

All good things come to those who wait.

Top,
any news on the barrel front?

I may just go ahead and use the CZ 550 ( better ask Afro first!)
I think I've found some one interested in making the dies...

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#187175 - 03/08/11 10:49 AM

I emailed TSE last week but have not had a 2nd reply. I will have to telephone them.All good things come to those who wait my friend.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
#187183 - 03/08/11 03:15 PM

Just spoke to Veronica at TSE, they have not ordered .333 buttons yet. It takes 6 weeks. It is on the to do list and they have the order listed to send out. She has asked me to chase it up in a months time.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
#187205 - 03/08/11 10:35 PM

NO worries
We seem to be good for cases and projjies too...

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#187209 - 03/08/11 11:21 PM

I didn't read the whole thread but has anyone actually measured the internal capacity {e.g. grains of water} of the .338 Win Mag and the .333 Jeffrey?

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 9.3x57]
#187214 - 03/08/11 11:40 PM

The Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Conversions by John Donnelly lists the case capacity of the .338 Win at 85.62 grs water; the .333 Jeffery is 86.13 grs water.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: Carpetsahib]
#187220 - 04/08/11 12:17 AM

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The Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Conversions by John Donnelly lists the case capacity of the .338 Win at 85.62 grs water; the .333 Jeffery is 86.13 grs water.

Thanks!

I thought they were close but didn't realize they were that close.

In effect, we seem to have a modern .333 in the .338 Win, the latter of which could be loaded to .333 pressures for .333 performance. Just musing...

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 9.3x57]
#187224 - 04/08/11 12:36 AM

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The Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Conversions by John Donnelly lists the case capacity of the .338 Win at 85.62 grs water; the .333 Jeffery is 86.13 grs water.

Thanks!

I thought they were close but didn't realize they were that close.

In effect, we seem to have a modern .333 in the .338 Win, the latter of which could be loaded to .333 pressures for .333 performance. Just musing...

True. I think Elmer Keith said something very simailar decades ago.

The .330 (approx) range of calibres were his favourites for medium game I though.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: NitroX]
#187238 - 04/08/11 07:41 AM

Matching the ballistics & killing prowess of the .333 Jeffery, is why Elmer came up with the original .333 OKH on the necked up, '06 case, to shoot the same 300gr. bullet at the same speed or slightly higher - seems to me.

The standard bolt actions he used, allowed the smaller case to match the larger one, albeit at much higher pressures - probably reaching 63,000PSI, same as some of the standard 06 BRASS loadings today.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#187258 - 04/08/11 03:32 PM

so, where do we get a 333J barrel in the US?

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#187305 - 05/08/11 01:39 AM

Today - I don't know - could try ALL of the makers here.
Pa-Nor, Shilen, Hart, Green Mountain, Kreiger, Badger, etc, etc. I'd cheat and go .338, myself.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#187406 - 05/08/11 09:59 PM

Thanks Daryl,
I checked out Krieger
h <a href="ttp://www.kriegerbarrels.com/RapidCat/catalog/pagetemplate.cfm?template=/RapidCat/common/viewPage.cfm&PageId=3390&CompanyId=1246" target="_blank">ttp://www.kriegerbarrels.com/RapidCat/catalog/pagetemplate.cfm?template=/RapidCat/common/viewPage.cfm&PageId=3390&CompanyId=1246</a>
and they have a 318 bbl with a bore dia of 318 and a groove dia of 33.

Pac Nor here have a 33 barrel in 33-06...
h ttp://www.pac-nor.com/wildcat/
Ideas ,anyone?
TIA

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#187510 - 07/08/11 10:56 AM

Danny Pedersen at Classic Barrel Works. He made a 318 WR barrel for Empire Rifles and I think he can make anything else you want.

http://www.cutrifle.com/

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