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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
#180581 - 03/05/11 03:14 AM

I would be thinking of game hunting.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: NitroX]
#180591 - 03/05/11 05:37 AM

Here in Canada, the easiest to obtain would be 250gr. Noslers, RP's maybe, Hornady's etc. Woodeighs in 300gr. would also work fine, but are VERY expensive here. Sizing down, drawing them, appears to work-hardent he jackets and make the bullets tougher than prior, so a sized down 225 or 200gr. or heavier 250gr. normal lead cored bullets would work well on most species - in all likeyhood.

There are fine .338" bullets in sizeable form- standard lead core and fuilding metal jacket, from 200gr. to 300, then.

The even lighter 165gr. and 185gr. TSX's are too hard to reduce(I'm sure) and aren't needed, anyway.

The Lee dies work well in any compound leverage, cast steel press - RCBS, Lyman, Hornady just to name 3.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
#180598 - 03/05/11 07:09 AM

Bad news from PT&G. It will have to be a new reamer (one day).

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#180643 - 03/05/11 08:33 PM

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Here in Canada, the easiest to obtain would be 250gr. Noslers, RP's maybe, Hornady's etc. Woodeighs in 300gr. would also work fine, but are VERY expensive here. Sizing down, drawing them, appears to work-hardent he jackets and make the bullets tougher than prior, so a sized down 225 or 200gr. or heavier 250gr. normal lead cored bullets would work well on most species - in all likeyhood.

There are fine .338" bullets in sizeable form- standard lead core and fuilding metal jacket, from 200gr. to 300, then.

The even lighter 165gr. and 185gr. TSX's are too hard to reduce(I'm sure) and aren't needed, anyway.

The Lee dies work well in any compound leverage, cast steel press - RCBS, Lyman, Hornady just to name 3.

You forgot a T mag, Daryl.

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When's the next special due?

can we make a down payment or something...
Sizing down 338 projjies using a 2 step Lee die.Shall we also ask Lee if they can do the 338- 333 sizing die or do we have to provide samples of the intended projectiles?
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#180651 - 03/05/11 09:57 PM

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Noslers, ... The even lighter 165gr. and 185gr. TSX's are too hard to reduce(I'm sure) and aren't needed, anyway.

I would have thought any bullet with an A or H type "jacket" would not swage, such as partitions, A-frame, H-mantel etc.

Don't know, the reason I am asking.

In order not to hyjack this thread I'm starting another on the .318 vs .333 to see what people think about the advantages or not of either. Both are intriguing cartridges.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: NitroX]
#180666 - 04/05/11 12:57 AM

Good move, John.

Not sure about sizing partitions - don't see why not as the Noslers have a fairly thin web, but maybe it's too much.

H-mantles should be easy enough as the web only goes in a short distance.

I don't know anything about T-mags.

A phone call to Lee is usually required as custom dies aren't listed on the web site - thus no button to click for them.

A .335" and a .332" should work fine. There is generally a bit of spring-back in the bullet, so the bullet will end up at .332" to .333". Spring-back wold suggest loose jackets, but that does not seem to be happening - accuracy is super and penetration is even better than the original bullet provides.

The 2-die set would allow sizing down harder bullets, ie: bullets with harder cores, thicker jacket - easier for the partitions, that sort of thing.

The base plunger (pusher) comes with the dies, along with lee liquid Alox, which they say is easier for sizing jacketed bullets than Imperial die wax or other waxes or oils. I have several bottles of it, so I will have to try it myself.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#180708 - 04/05/11 11:38 AM

Daryl,I wonder if I can send across some wool fat for you to try.Amazing stuff, I tell you!

In effect , the drawing down/sizing down actually adds to the hardness? by compressing the jacket some more against the core? 0.338 to 0.335 and then to 0.332 sounds like a good idea, to handle stuff like A or H partitions...Wonder if any one here can give input if they have actually sized down these partition type bullets?

T mag is my Lyman reloading press. Looks pretty sturdy to me.
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#180709 - 04/05/11 11:52 AM

Cost .333 Jeffrey Reamer:

The HSS 333 Jeffery Rimless is $147.00 and the gauges are $27.00 each for Go, No-Go and Field.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
#180711 - 04/05/11 12:50 PM

Just heard from TSE barrels. They hope to have .333 barrels soon. Their Tony is working on it and my have buttons available in 2 months.

All good things come to those who wait.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
#180732 - 04/05/11 06:54 PM

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Bad news from PT&G. It will have to be a new reamer (one day).

Hehe. Got there first

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#180735 - 04/05/11 07:07 PM

The amount of force needed to re-draw jacketed bullets is very little and can be handled in a normal sturdy reloading press. In fact it is easier than Full length sizing some cases.
I have done it with home made drawing dies and just using re-sizing lube. LEE sizing lube would be ideal.
The step from .338 to .333 could be done in one pass and should not effect the relationship between the jacket and core.
Corbin recommends no more than .010" re-drawing as, with more than this, the jacket comes loose from the core.
Having a partition should not make any difference at all to the exercise.

I could make a set of hardened die and punch for anyone that wants one, in what ever size.

John, that news that TSE are going to make .333 barrels is really good, eh.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: AFRO408]
#180736 - 04/05/11 07:13 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Bad news from PT&G. It will have to be a new reamer (one day).

Hehe. Got there first

Good news.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
#180763 - 04/05/11 11:42 PM

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Just heard from TSE barrels. They hope to have .333 barrels soon. Their Tony is working on it and my have buttons available in 2 months.

All good things come to those who wait.

Absolutely +1, Top
Thanks Tony, for 'getting in' first.
Any idea what twist rate TSE likes for the 333?
Action -ideas, suggestions?
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#180890 - 06/05/11 09:01 AM

The 1 in 11" twist works very well I'm told by an owner. (PM Rigbyuser or search his posts). I have no idea what TSE have planed. I guess you can email them with suggestions.

My 9.3x62 has a 25" #4 contour barrel with a muzzle dia. od of 0.650". I am very happy with this contour in that calibre and it balances very well in that rifle and the .333 is only a bit smaller.

A .333 hole in that profile would provide a thicker wall and more weight. To balance, a 23" or 24" barrel would be about right.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
#180911 - 06/05/11 01:49 PM

I have been speaking to Bruce Bertram this week regarding some odd cases, anyway, he was telling me that he is making .333 diameter projectiles now, they will just be plain cup and core types, but as mentioned previously, more than good enough for most hunting in Australia.
I think they will be about $82-00 per hundred, for both 180 and 250 grain bullets.
His range has expanded considerably lately, making up to .585 diameters now.
Could be another option?

Forgot to add, he does .318 diameters in 180 and 250 grain weights as well, same price.

Re - the twist for the 333, I'd nearly put money on Tony going with a 1~10" twist, JMHO.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 450_Ackley]
#180926 - 06/05/11 06:18 PM

Thanks 450 Ackley for the updates.
Is that twist similar to the venerable 30-06 twists? any idea why ?
if that is going to be a medium game rifle, running from 180-300Gr, will be interesting to see how the twist will handle such a variation

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#180939 - 06/05/11 08:25 PM

I have nothing to base my opinion on that Tony will go for a 10" twist, other than he does prefer to go about 1-2 " faster than what is considered "standard" and that 10 was a nice round number.
I don't have an inside knowledge, just an educated guess.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 450_Ackley]
#180951 - 06/05/11 10:31 PM

I like my bullets heavy, Thanks Ackley

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#180957 - 07/05/11 01:27 AM

Lee advised my buddy Keith to try their liquid alox for a drawing lube. They claimed it superior to the other sizing lubes, like Imperial. I normally use Imperial or STOS lubes, which are both high pressure lubes.

I size in a FL .222 Pacific die I modified considerably, from .375" down to .366" in one pass in a Hornady press - about the same 'work' as sizing a .300 WinMAg case - pretty easy. The come out at .367" which is fine in both my 9.3 cal. rifles.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
#181102 - 08/05/11 09:29 PM

Daryl, If you read the 318 thread, the price of the 404 to 333 forming die is, er, hilarious, here in Oz.
What do you suggest?
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#181114 - 08/05/11 11:49 PM

John:

htt <a href="p://www.huntingtons.com/dies_specialorder.html" target="_blank">p://www.huntingtons.com/dies_specialorder.html</a>

Also, see top of P3, here:

htt p://www.lone-star-armory.com/library/Ballistics-Classic-Cartridges.pdf

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#181413 - 12/05/11 10:03 PM

Also,

any one have any info on DSB action availability in Australia, as in:

htt p://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=16932&an=0&page=19#Post16932

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#181416 - 12/05/11 11:14 PM

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Also,

any one have any info on DSB action availability in Australia, as in:

htt <a href="p://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=16932&an=0&page=19#Post16932" target="_blank">p://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=16932&an=0&page=19#Post16932</a>

TIA

I think those were the Vector South African actions.
I don't think they are made anymore.

That post on the link was from 2004.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
#181418 - 13/05/11 12:35 AM

I am optimistic, Nigel!

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
#181420 - 13/05/11 01:18 AM

Tia - in forming cases with misc. dies, I look at the sizes of the brass cross-referencing to chart listings of normal dies. This is to find correlations and cross references so I can use easily procurred dies for my case forming. These I can use to make my brass fit for fireforming as forming dies are prohibitively expensive.

If you have a reamer - even just a finishing reamer, you can make your own seating die. If you have the roughing reamer, you can make your own FL die. This, of course, providing you have a lathe and a bar of mild steel (or donation die that only needs annealing). Since to have a chamber cut, one reamer is necessary, you already have what's necessary to make a seating die. The seating die can be used in forming, quite easily, then a purchased FL die is used to finish the job.

If no reamers are at hand, you will have to revert to cobbling dies together or modifying them to answer to your needs.

Shoulders must be in the proper position, of course to maintain headspace, but other dies or parts of dies can be used for the forming operation.

Successively smaller holes in a plate can also be used for simply necking down brass. There needs to be a polished chamfer at the entrance of the hole. A drill press, low speed with a lube like Imperial die wax is used in the necking operation. Some guys use these for converting ctg. to smaller calibres with no body changes and even for pushing shoulders back on some brass.

Cajun Blake on Saubier's small bore forum makes these plates for retail - for around $100.00. They handle a variety of calibres. You could conceivably neck a .5 Browning down to take a .14 cal. bullet - if you wanted - bit of neck turning will be required.

Again - it is amazing how much work can be done with a seating die alone.

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