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eljefedouble
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333 Jeffery
      #180379 - 30/04/11 11:27 PM

As above,
barrel
action-Mauser Vs Zastava
twist 1:11? Nope, lets leave out the metford for now...
Reamers

All advice gratefully appreciated

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Edited by eljefedouble (30/04/11 11:28 PM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
      #180386 - 01/05/11 01:15 AM

I have a .333 Jeffery and have wondered the same as you if I were to build one up.
I would go with a 1909 Argentine Mauser action to start and build it as close to a Jeffery or TypeA Mauser as possible.
One thing I would consider, though, (especially if I were planning on keeping the rifle to the end) is to barrel it for .338" bullets. A lot more shooting at a lower cost and greater bullet selection that way. Even then if it were to be passed along and the new owner tried .333s in it, it still wouldn't pose any problems other than accuracy. You could stamp the barrel under the wood to specify the .338" bullet too just to cover it.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: Huvius]
      #180402 - 01/05/11 07:33 AM

I am constantly looking at this project ,myself. The .333 is a poofteenth longer (3.5") than a standard .30-06 so the action would need opening up a smidgen and possibly new bottom metal. A surplus FN Mauser 98 carbine from Columbia or R.Famage Mauser 98 both in .30-06 might do it ??? but would have to be measured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.333_Jeffery

I reckon a bare .375 length action would be an easier way to go depending on bolt face. Stocks are available off the shelf.

Woodleigh make projectiles.

As for a barrel. The most economical way to to get the bore dimensions right would be semi-custom. Maybe TSE or AFRO (who have a good working relationship with each other) or another gunsmith can make/buy a button and make a barrel from a bored unit. TSE use button rifling acording to their web sight and I can't imagine the cost would be much different apart from setting up.

Dies would be available from CH or the custom shops of the major suppliers.

If you go .338 then you may as well go .338-06 which FATBOY404 assures me is a very good combo in itself.

Edited by tophet1 (01/05/11 08:20 AM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
      #180403 - 01/05/11 07:38 AM

I'll send an email to TSE as to the possibility of .333 barrels and hopefully get a reply next week. What profile and twist Gentlemen ? Maybe Neale can tell us what works on his and his mates 338-06 rifles.

Edited by tophet1 (01/05/11 07:40 AM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
      #180406 - 01/05/11 01:21 PM

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If you go .338 then you may as well go .338-06 which FATBOY404 assures me is a very good combo in itself.



I knew somebody would propose that, but man, it just aint as cool!
Even side by side with a .35 Whelen, the 333 has just that much more...something!



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Edited by CptCurl (04/05/11 09:00 PM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: Huvius]
      #180407 - 01/05/11 01:28 PM

You could always step boldly into the 21st Century with a M03 africa in 8.5x63 Reb

(where's the shit stir e'con ?)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: Huvius]
      #180414 - 01/05/11 03:40 PM

Quote:

Quote:

If you go .338 then you may as well go .338-06 which FATBOY404 assures me is a very good combo in itself.



I knew somebody would propose that, but man, it just aint as cool!
Even side by side with a .35 Whelen, the 333 has just that much more...something!





Just not cool or classic.

Comments like the .338/06 does the same is like saying, a modern Holden Commodore will do the same as a classic Jaguar in good working order.

I still like the .318 WR (.330). Bullets from 160 gr to 250 gr.

.333 Jeffery sounds cool, but the bullets available are only 250 gr (?).

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Edited by CptCurl (04/05/11 09:00 PM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: NitroX]
      #180418 - 01/05/11 04:10 PM

Woodleigh make 250 and 300 RNSP and a 300 FMJ. SD for the 300's is .386.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: NitroX]
      #180419 - 01/05/11 04:15 PM

Yeah, the .318 WR is

I just built one on a Columbian Mauser action ( it's going to get some nice engraving done ) and I had to make a throating reamer, to get the supplied Woodleigh bullet, to seat in the Walther chambered barrel.
Woodleigh make only one weight in .330 and this is the one the customer wanted to use.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: AFRO408]
      #180421 - 01/05/11 04:22 PM


You can swage down 338 bullets for the 333 if you want other bullet weights.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
      #180425 - 01/05/11 04:27 PM

I hope the more people are getting intersted in the tripletree, the more different bullets will be available for that caliber. I love the classic 300grain bullet, which was the reason I had one made up. However, a good spitzer in 230-250grain would turn this caliber into plainsgame rifle too.
The .333jeffery is good out to 200meters with the long 300grainer scoped or ironsighted, but could be turned into a 300meter+ springbok rifle with lighter bullets with higher BC.
I know most people will say: "why don`t you just get a .338win Mag"?. The .333Jeffery is a special cartridge just by the looks, which stands out from the crowd + its has been forgotten british cartridge for many years, until this forum came along:LOL. The case volume of the .33jeffery Vs .338winMag is something like 2% in favour to the winMag, no more. IF one wants to, he can duplicate the winMag ballistics very close with a lighter bullet. With the long 300grain bullet the winMag can be in trouble and loose , because the bullet steal casevolume, which the .333Jeffery would never care about, because all the bullet is in the long caseneck.
However, the .333Jeffery was never made to compete with the .338winMag in the first place, but actually compete with the .318WR or the 9,3Mauser at that time in period, to be the ultimate of all the medium bores. If one looks at the new Norma catalog, a 325grain bullet for the 9,3Mauser has a velocity of 670M/sec or 2198Ft/sec. That ballistic is done in a smaller case. The .333Jeffery does only 66Ft/sec faster with a 300grain, but in a bigger case. The .333jeffery is a lowpressure round.
I use today 65grain of Norma MRP or Rhino22 to a 300grain bullet. The M-velocity is 690M/sek, which is more than enough with woodleighs bullets. I wished Woodleigh would make a PP bullet in .333cal. The 300grain bullet is a very soft bullet, and velocity should not be exceeded, above the factory loads. I have shot Kynochs loads in my rifle, and they are very accurate, and they work very well on game too.
The caselengh is 64mm of the .Jeffery, but the Oal: is 87-88mm which leave almost 24mm of protruding bullet..almost an inch(25,4mm= 1"). This cartridge does need a long box of 90mm.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: rigbymauser]
      #180426 - 01/05/11 05:04 PM

Rigbymauser

Re "I hope the more people are getting intersted in the tripletree, the more different bullets will be available for that caliber."

Even though I would like it to occur, I think that is wishful thinking if ever I saw it.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 500Nitro]
      #180432 - 01/05/11 05:58 PM

Someone might want to get on to the Pacific Tool and Gauge website and buy the 333 Rimless reamer they have on special for I think $66-00 USD. This would save AFRO making one.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #180439 - 01/05/11 10:37 PM

What's the lightest bullet available for the .333?

And are there any of decent construction ie for hunting deer and the like?

Thirdly, can you swage down bullets such as those with H or A jacket construction?



Re: the .318 (.330) there are some makers of lighter bullets, Bertam make a 180 gr. I think I recently saw a US maker making lighter bullets too.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #180443 - 01/05/11 11:06 PM

Quote:

Someone might want to get on to the Pacific Tool and Gauge website and buy the 333 Rimless reamer they have on special for I think $66-00 USD. This would save AFRO making one.

Regards,
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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: tophet1]
      #180454 - 02/05/11 01:38 AM

Thanks Gentlemen,
Its good to have dark fantasies on NE
I have a CZ 550 in 9.3x62 (initially bought for another project, but I didnt have the heart to cannibalise lil Thumper, and was lucky to get Afro in a good mood )...comment?
PT&G - coincidence?
Yes, the thought about using 338 did occur, but I would like to go the nostalgia route. Future owner is 5 now,and has assured me I can use 'his' guns for a fair while
I echo John's question about ability to swage the H/A frame projjies.How much will it enhance the versatility? Used to, as we are, to the super efficient 300grainers.
Rigbymauser-I always wondered how the 333 Jeff can look so svelte,exude such an aura of nostalgia and yet, is such an efficient killer-all in a low power system??
Am on a strict embargo, cant slip under the radar, so am at the mercy of several friends, who have served the cause of us 'under the radar'

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Edited by eljefedouble (02/05/11 02:00 AM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: eljefedouble]
      #180456 - 02/05/11 01:54 AM

Friend of mine just received dies to reduce .323's to .311 for his .303 #3's & Enfields. His order of dies necessary to reduce .338's to .328's for his 8x65R are on the way. Easy matter for someone to stop at .330".

The Lee dies cost $30.00US each and use 3 of them over a .010" or .011 reduction.

Lee is gaining considerable experience in reducing dies and can make knowledgable suggestions in the steps needed now.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
      #180457 - 02/05/11 01:59 AM

For those who don't want the hassel of brass, special, very expensive dies and wierd bullet sizes, the .35 Whelen will about duplicate the .333's factory loads and then some, without stressing things, with easily available bullets as light as 150gr. or up to 300gr. and factory dies - but then, it wouldn't be a .333 Jeffery, would it.

Judging by the picture of the rounds, with the Whelen's bullet seated out just a bit, the oal's would be identical or whatever the owner wanted, within the confines of one's chamber, that is.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: NitroX]
      #180459 - 02/05/11 02:12 AM

Quote:

Re: the .318 (.330) there are some makers of lighter bullets, Bertam make a 180 gr. I think I recently saw a US maker making lighter bullets too.



GS Custom also makes a 165 gr .330 HV bullet.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: NitroX]
      #180498 - 02/05/11 09:31 AM

Should be able to go .338 to .333 in one pass - only .005". It is good to be able to seat the entire bullet inside the die before much pressure is brought to bear upon it's posterior.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
      #180501 - 02/05/11 10:11 AM

Swageing (or is it drawing) bullets is the next thing I'd like to do. Is there any special gear you need. Like Preses etc ?

emails sent to Pacific Tool and Gauge and TSE.

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
      #180502 - 02/05/11 10:16 AM

Daryl,
I've used Anhydrous wool fat for resizing, case forming etc in the past, and the effect is amazing.But I have never sized bullets, being lucky to get kilos of .311 in 303 ..I expect it will have the usual magic on this segment of reloading too...any one been there done that?
If, as you're describing, Lee is doing good on these 2 or 3 set reducing dies, at those kind of prices, definitely very high on my TO DO list.
There are a certain couple of gentlemen, I am awaiting to hear from

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: Huvius]
      #180504 - 02/05/11 10:24 AM

Quote:

Quote:



I knew somebody would propose that, but man, it just aint as cool!
Even side by side with a .35 Whelen, the 333 has just that much more...something!





Huvius, a fellow kindered soul?
I have lusted for that 'something', in a svelte and distinct shape, for over 20 years.
Like I said, pays to have dark thoughts on NE, inspite of embargos and er, um, "slipping under the cook's radar "
Thanks Top, I lost you when you went the 416 way, seems we're in this together!

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Edited by CptCurl (04/05/11 09:00 PM)

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: DarylS]
      #180578 - 03/05/11 03:04 AM

Quote:

Should be able to go .338 to .333 in one pass - only .005". It is good to be able to seat the entire bullet inside the die before much pressure is brought to bear upon it's posterior.



OK Gentlemen,

If you had a .333 Jeffery and wanted to use some .338 projectiles in it, and swage them down, which ones would you choose and think would be appropriate?

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Re: 333 Jeffery [Re: NitroX]
      #180580 - 03/05/11 03:05 AM


Nitro

Are you target shooting or game shooting ?


I wouldn't pick aythig like an A Frame.

Sierra's have always been known to work well with the process - thin jacket et al.

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