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Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo
      #178392 - 05/04/11 12:51 AM

Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/919180/

Been discussed before on here before I'm sure, but whatever else you can say, he shoots them up close and personal.


(link supplied by the Honourable Rob Borsak )

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: NitroX]
      #178406 - 05/04/11 03:51 AM

Very close, indeed. You can almost feel it, when looking. I was pressing backwards in my chair. //Sville

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: Sville]
      #178421 - 05/04/11 07:24 AM

It would be an experience for sure but I think he and I would come to blows by the end.

I prefer to shoot my own animal.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: FATBOY404]
      #178439 - 05/04/11 08:42 PM

Did they both fire simultaneously on the first shot, or did the client only get in the finisher?
A risky hunt strategy!


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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #178445 - 05/04/11 11:36 PM

I may be mistaken, but after watching the charge many times, I believe the first shots were fired simultaneously. If you watch the right side of the screen, you see what appears to be smoke from a discharge coming in from right to left.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #178446 - 06/04/11 12:12 AM

Looked to me as if the 'left' guy was a bit low on his first shot and yes, I see a muzzleblast coming in from the right as well- which was probably fortunate. I doubt the low shot on the nose would have had the desired stopping effect. Perhaps I should watch it again, but have no desire to - I've seen it enough.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: DarylS]
      #178450 - 06/04/11 02:44 AM

The left guy is Sullivan.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: DarylS]
      #178451 - 06/04/11 02:46 AM

I enjoy Marks DVDs very much. I learned what a charge looks like from the hunter's perspective too. Very valuable when shooting hippo on land as I was able to do luckily! I know its not for everybody. To each his own. I personally would love to hunt with him. That being said: USE ENOUGH GUN! KNOW YOUR LIMITATIONS!

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: bigmaxx]
      #179248 - 17/04/11 07:04 AM

My only real issue with Mark is he always seems to be shooting at the same time as the client. I sure don't plan to pay that kind of money and have the PH shoot an animal for me unless there's absolutely no choice (translation unless it's standing on top of me, about to start ripping pieces off).

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: chuck375]
      #179249 - 17/04/11 07:37 AM

Having never hunted DG and being a self confessed avoider of all things that potentially may cause me pain or death, I'm glad the earth mother/god/almighty buddah created the .416 Rigby so I didn't have to get that close.

Seriously, he certainly loves teasing the animals when he could have just shot them. I was recently loaned two Mark Sullivan DVD's from a forum member and had to turn the first one off after 5 minutes.

What a wanker.

Edit: I suppose some people can see his DVD as some kind of entertainment because that is the only way I can understand why they are produced.

Edited by tophet1 (17/04/11 07:52 AM)


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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: tophet1]
      #179270 - 17/04/11 05:02 PM

He is a first class wanker and deserved to get ditched from SCI - BUT I have never met a client of his who didnt have a great hunt..

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #179286 - 17/04/11 10:47 PM

I respect all the opinions... but i paid my hippo and i want to be the guy who killed my hippo. I donīt want to have an hippo hunted by Sullivan or any other PH.

When the PH shoots too early, and he kills the animal, i wouldnīt shoot, i would smile, shake his hand and tell him "Congratulations, YOU hunted a great animal"... and of course i wouldnīt pay that hunt.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #179364 - 18/04/11 09:26 PM

Quote:

I have never met a client of his who didnt have a great hunt..




And that is a common thing. Never heard from a client either whom was not positive and all the clients I have communicated with directly, all shot their own animals too.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: NitroX]
      #179884 - 25/04/11 02:50 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I have never met a client of his who didnt have a great hunt..




And that is a common thing. Never heard from a client either whom was not positive and all the clients I have communicated with directly, all shot their own animals too.




I have the same impression too. Which makes me wonder if the hunts that are filmed are set up to be that way from the start.


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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: EricD]
      #179886 - 25/04/11 03:09 AM

Erik

Maybe he arranges clients for the filming with suitable inducements for whom gets to shoot and when? Especially if they have multiple DG on licence?

I wouldn't want a PH shooting my animals either, but never heard from an actual client where this was the case anyway.

Certainly his DVDs sell.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #179890 - 25/04/11 04:34 AM

Quote:

Having never hunted DG and being a self confessed avoider of all things that potentially may cause me pain or death, I'm glad the earth mother/god/almighty buddah created the .416 Rigby so I didn't have to get that close.

Seriously, he certainly loves teasing the animals when he could have just shot them. I was recently loaned two Mark Sullivan DVD's from a forum member and had to turn the first one off after 5 minutes.

What a wanker.

Edit: I suppose some people can see his DVD as some kind of entertainment because that is the only way I can understand why they are produced.




I'm the same. I have not been able to watch one completely through. A man full of his own self importance. His chest thumping is another irritating factor in his productions


Quote:

He is a first class wanker and deserved to get ditched from SCI - BUT I have never met a client of his who didnt have a great hunt..




+1.
The anti's would have some great ammo from his videos


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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: HuntingSchneider]
      #180108 - 27/04/11 06:26 PM

Here is a new video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZJ-mOzBk0s

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: TOP_PREDATOR]
      #180176 - 28/04/11 08:37 AM

Like him or not, the guy have nerves of steel.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: crkennedy1]
      #209389 - 29/05/12 02:14 PM

I've just finished reading "Fear no Death" and watching "Death at my Feet". Though I bought the cheap edition of "Fear No Death" Mark autographed the book for me and I appreciate it as he did not have to.

Mark Sullivan is definitely opinionated however, I feel, It is opinion derived from experience.

In his book and dvd he spends alot of time explaining/defending why he hunts the way he does.

He debunks a hell of a lot of myths associated with hunting Africa's dangerous stuff. Especially the "shoot Buffalo up the nose when they're charging"..........and he has the pictures and witnessess to prove his point of view.

I especially like the comment about "if everyone takes a camera on safari why aren't there more pictures of these PH's facing up close charges" (my words......not meant to be a direct quote as I don't have the book in front of me)........it's because they haven't faced the charges.

He also relates how difficult it is to get most Buffalo, wounded or not, to charge.

Another thing that he mentions is how poorly most clients shoot. This will be an ego buster right here for most "hairy chested types". But he has the experience of alot of clients to base this opinion on. Honestly ask yourself can you regularly hit a tennis ball at 20 yards with your favourite "African cannon" off hand ???? Most guys can't do it with their favourite deer rifle.

He is very "in your face" about Binocular bras. But try shooting skeet, "gun down", with your binoculars fixed in the middle of your chest via a binocular bra and see how many times you snag your gun on them............and remember you'll only suffer embarrasment doing this.......think of what you'd suffer in an actual charge situation.

He has a very definite "style" or manner about him that wrankles alot of people. But if you get your "Ass out of joint" if everyone doesn't agree with your opinion you'd better get used to living in a cave by yourself because it's not going to happen.

Give him his due. He has extensive dangerous game experience. Put all ego asside and watch his dvds (borrow them if you're only going to see 5 minutes of them) read his books and glean from them what you will. But keep and open mind while you do.

I have no association with Mark other than buying his books and dvds. I have never met the man and will not profit from these comments. I don't agree with everything he says but understand where he's "coming from". I think his "delivery" is a result of being truly passionate about what he's doing and, given his experience, he'd resent the pure Bullsh*t that's written about a topic he is intimately familiar with.

I've just ordered "Death and Double Rifles" and "Greatest Buffalo Charges".

Fellas, Ladies, take these comments how you will. Just remember "Free advice is usually worth everything you gave for it".


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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: twobobbwana]
      #209400 - 29/05/12 04:14 PM

twobob,

I have no knowledge of MS other than what I have read on this or other forums. The points you raise I feel are certainly valid. If I was to hunrt with him my main concern would be him shooting when I felt it was not needed. That is I could still get a second or finnishing round inton the animal.

You however pipqued my interest and will look for his books.


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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: Rule303]
      #209427 - 29/05/12 08:02 PM

twobob, I wish I had known earlier, you could have had my copy of "Death and Double Rifles" for free, I sent it to someone on this forum for that amount and was glad to pay the shipping as well !! the only hunting book I never finished, best

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #209481 - 30/05/12 07:50 AM

OKAY, Mike.
I take it.

It is an lovley book.
I send you my adress as an PM.

Thank you.
:-)


Edited by CptCurl (12/05/13 10:10 PM)


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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: Jaguarhunter]
      #209495 - 30/05/12 10:41 AM

Mike,

That's just like my luck "a day late and a dollar short".

Sorry you were dissapointed with the book. I'm a book nut and really look forward to the arrival of the next one. And it is certainly a downer when it doesn't meet your expectations.

As I said Mark has a particular style and I'll admit I found him hard to read initially. Mainly due to him explaining why he hunts like he does and liberal reference to "letting the animal choose how he wishes to die". But I persevered and found it worthwhile. Each to his own.

I read it with a view to seeing what I could get out of it. Mark Sullivan's experience cannot be questioned and I knew I'd learn something from it. He has the nasty habit of making grand claims .......and then backing it up with experience and photos !!. Remember "it ain't bragging if you can do it"......especially in front of witnessess/cameramen like he does.

If you'd have persisted with the book you'd have found that he likes the client to stand up front with him and do his own shooting. You'll note in the longer shots he'll hold off and the client gets to do all of the shooting.........unless backup is necessary.

I just finished reading "Green Hills of Africa" by Hemmingway. It's the first time I ever finished it despite many attempts. I'll not read it again. Heresy I know. I would not have liked to share a camp with "Ernesto" while he bragged of his wingshooting/fishing/rifleshooting abilities and shot rhino, with his Springfield, running at 300 yards. Also his indulging in a "p*ssing competition" with his mate Karl over who shot the biggest all the time would not add to the experience. Great add for the additional expense of a 1:1 hunt.

Regarding the comments about who's shot comes first: Yes I totally agree that the guy paying the trophy fee, and probably experiencing dangerous game for the only time in his life, should be doing the shooting. However at the distances involved in the "blood on your shoes" charges there's no time for technicalities..........Dead clients dont' pay well.


Fatboy404: If you were worried about coming to blows with your PH don't book with him...... that's the easiest way around it. You're there to enjoy your hunting experience and if you don't feel like you will then book with somebody else.

AS to the placement of shots and the sequence. Some of this is explained when I read "Fear No Death" in conjunction with watching "Death at my Feet". Watching the video alone/reading the book alone doesn't get you all the information.

yep I wondered about some of the shot placement (one looked to be low through the nose) but Mark admits to this in the book and tells you what happened.

Fellas, Ladies: Just so I don't miss out on any further generous offers by disgruntled viewers/readers of Mark Sullivan's stuff I'll make you the offer that I will happily accept the gift of the offending material. Just PM me. I'll clean out a room/cupboard in anticipation.

To those who've read this rant this far. I implore you stick with it. Borrow the book/dvd if you're that worried about wasting your money. Finish the book/dvd with an open mind ........ you're sure to get something out of it.

What about Mark's clients ????? What do you have to report of your experience ???? Afterall you are the one's who've outlayed your own money and have first hand experience of the man and his method of operation.


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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: twobobbwana]
      #209500 - 30/05/12 10:51 AM

We - my friends and I, hunt with a rule - I shoot my own animals - or I don't cut my tag.

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Re: Mark Sullivan point blank on hippo [Re: DarylS]
      #209506 - 30/05/12 11:36 AM

Daryl S,

I totally agree with you on this. I am used to having an animal crumple at the shot.......but I too stuff up occasionally. It is then that help is sometime required. Better that than have the animal suffer or be lost and pay for him anyway. My ego doesn't like this but it's a fact of life. Better my ego suffer than the animal.

Just remember in these Buffalo charge scenes the client has already had a go and the Buffalo ran off and then was followed up. The charge is a result of the clients inability to finish the deal in the first place. The dvd wouldn't sell as well as it does if it showed the majority of kills where the stalk results in a well placed shot and a quick death......well I hope that's the more common result.

Everyone going to hunt Cape Buffalo knows that there's a possibility of a charge it's part of the adventure. However Mark comments on how few Buffalo will actually charge even when pressed........once again it dispells the myth and won't contribute to the sale of Buffalo hunts.

Sullivan's intervention in the final charge is not only necessary but responsible.

When that buffalo breaks that 12' barrier (or whatever the number is) are you telling me that you would not allow Sullivan's input ????

If so I hope he's got your money up front as you'll be dead and he'll either be dead or out of business.

He shoots hippo that aren't charging. But in the case of a charging Hippo/Buffalo you can only wait so long "on the trigger" for your client to shoot before you have to "contribute". Sullivan obviously has "balls the size of watermelons" but it would take a superman to wait for the client (who may prove to be neither brave nor accurate) to fire at a charging dangerous animal at the distances of which he speaks.

Make no mistake I do not demean the client. Even if they shoot a Big Calibre Double rifle as good as any living person can it would take a brave person to stand to these charges. Few people could put the two together I suggest.

Don't take these comments as inferring that I have ever faced a charge from a Cape Buffalo or a Hippo. I have not.


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