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gryphon
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The difference between big guns and little guns explained
#177174 - 15/03/11 05:21 PM

Actually it has nothing to do with guns but I`m sure you will agree that the 600 nitro kid was too good for the pissant 270 kid

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: gryphon]
#177176 - 15/03/11 05:46 PM

Just watched it again. It was about time that some-one put this little "Bully" in his place. He had to come with friends to pick on a normally quiet kid and I guess that he was picked on about his weight. It was that type of reasoning when I was in schools 60 odd years ago. He should not have been expelled as he was not the aggressor and didn't throw the first punch but only defended himself... Good on him.

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#177177 - 15/03/11 06:05 PM

Agree, beggars belief the big chap got into trouble ?

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Homer
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#177178 - 15/03/11 07:18 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Ditto to the above sentiment!
Good on you Casey, hit em with your best shot!!!

Unfortunately this type of reaction from the school, is where our Wacko Socialist society is going!
Sorry, it's already been there, for some time!!!

Doh!
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500Nitro
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: Homer]
#177179 - 15/03/11 07:26 PM

I saw that today and was just talking about it with the GF.

Good on the big guy.

The skinny kid is likely to have a whole life of hurt if he has broken his ankle and I reckon will forever regret the day he did that as Ankles are the hardest things to fix.

Agree 100% with this "He should not have been expelled as he was not the aggressor and didn't throw the first punch but only defended himself... Good on him"

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Oldbrit
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: 500Nitro]
#177185 - 15/03/11 08:42 PM

This goes from "It's fun to knock the fat kid about" to "I want my Mummy"! Good on Casey. Interesting that a girl intervened to calm everything down.

The fact that Casey got the punishment for defending himself says a lot about the way Western society is going. If this had been an armed confrontation between adults and Casey had dealt with the agression and walked away (which is what he did) would US law have convicted him of anything? Perhaps our US contributors could comment? I'm genuinely interested.

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Ben
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: Oldbrit]
#177187 - 15/03/11 09:07 PM

What's morally right and the actual rules are often two different things.

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: Ben]
#177196 - 16/03/11 05:13 AM

This has obviously taken off, just saw it on national Spanish television !!

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VonGruff
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: Ben]
#177201 - 16/03/11 06:24 AM

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What's morally right and the actual rules are often two different things.

Too right Ben and often poles apart.

The same type of thing happened to my son. We mooved into a small rural town and he was the new boy at school so got a bit of stick. I tought him to walk away if he could but to finish it if he couldn't.It was always him that cought the trouble though, even when there were more than one of them.

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mauserand9mm
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: VonGruff]
#177217 - 16/03/11 01:04 PM

It's not a sign of the times though, I remember a friend of mine was being hassled by a small bully whilst at school, so he pushed him away and accidently sent him through a large glass window pane at the manual arts workshop, the bully wasn't injured but my friend received the cane. This happened 30 years ago.

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gryphon
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: mauserand9mm]
#177221 - 16/03/11 04:23 PM

I used to get the cane on a regular basis,most times well deserved haha

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500Nitro
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: gryphon]
#177223 - 16/03/11 04:30 PM

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I used to get the cane on a regular basis,most times well deserved haha

That makes 2 of us, and it didn't do me any harm.

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gryphon
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: 500Nitro]
#177228 - 16/03/11 06:20 PM

Yes it did,after speaking to you I noticed your voice is a tad squeaky haha......joke Nige!

Actually I reckon it makes a kid more resolute,tougher,smarter and a better shot too.

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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: Oldbrit]
#177239 - 17/03/11 01:28 AM

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This goes from "It's fun to knock the fat kid about" to "I want my Mummy"! Good on Casey. Interesting that a girl intervened to calm everything down.

The fact that Casey got the punishment for defending himself says a lot about the way Western society is going. If this had been an armed confrontation between adults and Casey had dealt with the agression and walked away (which is what he did) would US law have convicted him of anything? Perhaps our US contributors could comment? I'm genuinely interested.

In Canada Casey would have been charged and most likely convicted of assault causing bodily harm, then did a stint in Juvenile Jail if this was his second offense or the court deemed him 'dangerous' to the other kids. Of course, only the bully's friends would be interviewed with adults present. First offense, he might not get 'time'.

Here, it is now an offense to use 'excessive' force to defend onself or one's family & depending on how good your lawyer is, you may or may not be convisted of using too much force IF you cause an injury.

Here, a child of 7 in grade 2 was expelled from a public elementary school for pointing his index finger as if it was a handgun. It was not 'aimed' at an individual but perhaps 'next time' it might be??? This is called 0 tolerance & readlily accepted by the school teachers - virtualy all here. Bloody Hell.

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gryphon
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: DarylS]
#177243 - 17/03/11 03:51 AM

And those laws are only gonna be a rod for their own backs as each generation crawls by.

Effing ridiculous!

My kids have been brought up to be Caseys as in 'stand up for yourself'

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500Nitro
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: gryphon]
#177244 - 17/03/11 04:27 AM

Daryl

And I thought Canada was better than Aust !

Your laws are worse than ours.

Daryl
If Casey would have been charged, then what would the kid who did the hitting get for an aggravated, unprovoked assault ?

Society is seriously fucked up.

What ever happened to the days when the cops rectified a few kid misdemeanours with a clip behind the ear ? (Not saying in this situation).

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Con
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: 500Nitro]
#177322 - 18/03/11 06:00 AM

Daryl,
Let me guess ... like Australia, Canada has publicly funded 'resilience programs' in schools to prevent and discourage bullying.

In almost all cases ... they plain FAIL to deliver anything substantial ... but consultants get paid a fortune to develop and implement them.
Cheers...
Con

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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: 500Nitro]
#177356 - 19/03/11 12:19 AM

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Quote:

I used to get the cane on a regular basis,most times well deserved haha

That makes 2 of us, and it didn't do me any harm.

MAKE that Three....

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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: DarylS]
#177358 - 19/03/11 01:22 AM

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In Canada Casey would have been charged and most likely convicted of assault causing bodily harm, then did a stint in Juvenile Jail if this was his second offense or the court deemed him 'dangerous' to the other kids. Of course, only the bully's friends would be interviewed with adults present. First offense, he might not get 'time'.

Here, it is now an offense to use 'excessive' force to defend onself or one's family & depending on how good your lawyer is, you may or may not be convisted of using too much force IF you cause an injury.

Here, a child of 7 in grade 2 was expelled from a public elementary school for pointing his index finger as if it was a handgun. It was not 'aimed' at an individual but perhaps 'next time' it might be??? This is called 0 tolerance & readlily accepted by the school teachers - virtualy all here. Bloody Hell.
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Here in Utah, the the fat kid would have been given a medal, and the whimpy "bully" and his buddies would have gotten suspended. I suspect Texas or Wyoming may have had a holiday for the the fat kid... go West young man!

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darwinmauser
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: crkennedy1]
#177434 - 20/03/11 08:16 AM

Looks like the "small man syndrome" kicked in early for the little fucker. Good job by the big bloke.

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500Nitro
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: darwinmauser]
#177435 - 20/03/11 08:27 AM

Virtually all the comments in newspapers here were in support of the big kid.

And some very interesting comments by people about the so called "walk away" / handle it a different way / no violence policies of the Ed Dept.

One in particular said all well and good but they don't teach the kids on how to do "conflict resolution".

I thought it was a very good point.

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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: Con]
#177439 - 20/03/11 10:55 AM

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Daryl,
Let me guess ... like Australia, Canada has publicly funded 'resilience programs' in schools to prevent and discourage bullying.

In almost all cases ... they plain FAIL to deliver anything substantial ... but consultants get paid a fortune to develop and implement them.
Cheers...
Con

How does one from the UK say it? Spot On, Old Duff.

Bloody ridiculous mess.

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Reggie
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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: DarylS]
#177832 - 29/03/11 10:12 AM

Before there were lawyers, one was expected to defend oneself.

Now, after lawyers, one is expected to be at others' mercy - particularly, the LAWYERS! (And, may Heaven help those who bravely decide to intervene and defend others!)

Anyone see a theme here?

[One of the best movie lines: "I won't be wronged, I won't lay my hands on another man and I expect the same from others."]

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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: Reggie]
#178044 - 31/03/11 03:16 PM

my mrs served that little rat kid all the time at her old work before he moved she pointed out he was a no good dead shit the first time i showed her the video.the interview i watched with casey and the little kid the little kid admitted he wasnt sorry at all for punching casey repeatedly sooooooo man up liitle boy you got what was coming to you

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Re: The difference between big guns and little guns explained [Re: grantc]
#178060 - 31/03/11 09:08 PM

TOO RIGHT.

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