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bonanza
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Caliber poll
#173941 - 24/01/11 06:14 AM

Which would you chose for a high dollar rifle, knowing you probably will never hunt African dangerous game.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: bonanza]
#173961 - 24/01/11 08:50 AM

Always the "Queen of Africa" and as you know, I just put my money where my mouth is....

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: bonanza]
#173967 - 24/01/11 10:52 AM

How about splitting the difference and going with a 300 H&H? That way you get a classic round and stay a bit more versatile.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: SharpsNitro]
#173972 - 24/01/11 11:10 AM

For me, for now, for Western big game, I'd go for a 300w over the 375
As I have been looking around a bit, I'm more likely to end up with a 300rum or 300wby (and I've thought of the 338lapua)
The MV advantage might be little, but every little bit is welcome for a(the) long range rifle I'd want.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: tinker]
#173983 - 24/01/11 03:01 PM

The 375 H7H is good for 300mts and that is about as far as I can reliably shoot. African DG might be out of the equation but Scrub Bull or H20 Buffalo in Aussie are not.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: SharpsNitro]
#173989 - 24/01/11 04:19 PM

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How about splitting the difference and going with a 300 H&H? That way you get a classic round and stay a bit more versatile.

As I have something either side of the stipulated calibers I have to agree with the 300H&H but voted for the 375 in the poll.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: VonGruff]
#174005 - 24/01/11 08:08 PM

270 Win, 3006 or a 7mm of some sort.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: Yochanan]
#174007 - 24/01/11 08:39 PM

A 375 h&h will have more resale value.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: FATBOY404]
#174024 - 25/01/11 03:33 AM

375 H&H is a cartridge, under my point of view more polyvalent than 300 Winchester Magnum. Perhaps the only disadvantage is that of not being a cartridge to shoot at the distances of high mountain.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: ovny]
#174081 - 25/01/11 06:11 PM

G'Day Fella's,

They are currently selling Rem 700 DGR in .375 H&H for around $840.00 over here (at Queensland gun shops)!
I already voted for the .375 in this poll and believing that every body needs at least One .375 H&H. I was seriously thinking of getting one of the Rem DGR, so I would have a second and lighter weight version???

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: Homer]
#174271 - 27/01/11 10:36 PM

Have one .300WM and two .375 H&H, so I guess I had to vote for the .375

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: HiWall]
#174273 - 28/01/11 01:26 AM

The poll is heavily favoring the 375, even though the question specified that dangerous game was not on the menu. The .300 will take just about any game with a 220 grain Woodleigh. Is this because of the "dream of Africa" drives your choice or is the .375 superior to the .300?

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: bonanza]
#174277 - 28/01/11 03:10 AM

I voted for the 375 even though my choice would be the 300 H&H but it wasn't on the list. Unless you are planning to hunt a lot of large bears, I would think the 300 would be your best bet. It will give you good long range performance with a good bulletlike the 180gr Scirocco II (the 200gr Accubond might be a good one too) and as you say can be loaded up with the 220s for big animals at closer range. I would also think the 300 Win would have better resale in the US than the 375.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: SharpsNitro]
#174283 - 28/01/11 05:32 AM

I voted .300 Win Mag but it wouldn't be my first choice. I'd rather have a .30-'06, 7x57, 8x57, .280 Rem or some other "all-around" caliber. If I had to have something on belted, magazine-space-eating brass I'd probably pick .338 WM as my first choice.

The 300 H&H would be a classic selection, but I rarely handload any more and can't justify the high ammo prices for performance I can get out of my '06.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: taw1126]
#174288 - 28/01/11 06:23 AM

I'm essentially opposite, I only handload so the 300H&H gets pretty much the same performance as the 300Win. My only complaint with the caliber is the availability and cost of brass.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: SharpsNitro]
#174295 - 28/01/11 07:38 AM

Quote:

The poll is heavily favoring the 375, even though the question specified that dangerous game was not on the menu. The .300 will take just about any game with a 220 grain Woodleigh. Is this because of the "dream of Africa" drives your choice or is the .375 superior to the .300?

All of the 300 Win Mag hunting rifles I have ever owned have been traded or sold. In my opinion, and for well-considered reasons, the 30-06 is superior.

The 375 H&H is a well-balanced cartridge that I enjoy shooting. It serves well for American game, even though it is overly powerful. It does not have any significant disadvantages other than the weight of the gun (mine is only nine pounds). It performs well with affordable bullets, being of moderate velocity.

As a competitor in 1000-yard matches, I found the 300 Win Mag to be an advantage. In the hunting fields I do not.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: Tatume]
#174375 - 29/01/11 07:51 AM

375 H&H is a very nice "allround" cartridge, a good 250 grain bullet will work for anything in NA. The 300WM, I can do without.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: bonanza]
#174739 - 02/02/11 09:36 PM

"because of the "dream of Africa" drives your choice or is the .375 superior to the .300?"

No. I am not overly keen on the 300WM but do like the 375H&H. In Australia we also have Scrub bulls- some are bloody big and cantankerous- and Water Buffalo. In a lighter weight rifle like the Remington's and Browning's they make a good Sambar rifle. Not saying you need a 375 for Sambar but they do a good job on them.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: Rule303]
#174781 - 03/02/11 08:39 PM

AS the original post asked "what would you choose as a high dollar rifle" and didnt mention ballistics or practicality, I chose the 375 not because of its ballistics or sentimental value but because if you were going to have a high dollar rifle in the context of the original question it probably would be more a safe queen than a practical hunting rifle and would make more sense to have a custom built rifle chambered for something that was a classic rather than a popular all round cartridge that is made by nearly every gun maker on the planet.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: bonanza]
#174795 - 04/02/11 02:40 AM

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The poll is heavily favoring the 375, even though the question specified that dangerous game was not on the menu. The .300 will take just about any game with a 220 grain Woodleigh. Is this because of the "dream of Africa" drives your choice or is the .375 superior to the .300?

Could be "The Dream" - but I've had several .300 mags of various lineage and case, hated every one of them after a very short time, from .308 Norma, .300 Winchester, .300 H&H and .300 Wtby - gues that's 4, not 3.

Disliked the .300 WTBY the most. The amount of powder it took to reach a descent load, compared to the results on game didn't add up to anything I saw as being better than an '06 inside the ranges I used them. The lack of anything I could see of being superior with their added cost of shooting, along with increased sharpness of recoil just did not suit me. I know guys who love their .300's - I simply do not share their opinions in this regard.

I do love the 3/8" bore - metaphorically speaking of course.

The only kinda .300 I do like, is the .311 Express on a #4 Enfield - Ken Waters variety (I didn't know of Ken's round at the time I chambered it up) of the .350 Rem case necked for .303 bullets. Mine runs 174's at 2,960fps - quite easily at that, with 1 1/2" groups using the battle sights. I used a .300 Win mag reamer and "held it back" for the 2.07" chamber, then cut the belt groove with the lathe. It feeds 3 rounds perfectly with a tich of bending on the magazine lips. It isn't any better than the .30/06 however it pleases me to have 'dreamed' it up & chambered it, although it was already around.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: bonanza]
#176459 - 02/03/11 09:54 AM

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Is this because of the "dream of Africa" drives your choice or is the .375 superior to the .300?

Nope I already have a .375 but don't have a .300 Win. My first choice would of been a .270 though.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: bonanza]
#176460 - 02/03/11 10:52 AM

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The poll is heavily favoring the 375, even though the question specified that dangerous game was not on the menu. The .300 will take just about any game with a 220 grain Woodleigh. Is this because of the "dream of Africa" drives your choice or is the .375 superior to the .300?

I think you answered your own post. The .375H&H was designed to hunt any soft skinned animal in the world. Specifically in British India and Africa. I believe it will do the job on DG but that really is the forte of the over .40's.

I did not vote on your poll. For a top dollar, once only rifle, I also agree the .300 H&H has the legs and pedigree to achieve all you need with modern powders and projectiles and will hit above its weight with correct shot placement. Just get a barrel with enough twist. The SD on a 220 Woodleigh is .331. Enough said.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: tophet1]
#177104 - 14/03/11 08:23 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Hi Wall has got it worked out!
One .375 is good, Two is even better!!!

I was talking to an old mate of mine (with a lot of hunting and guiding experience) recently.
He made the following statement to me, that is quite important and that is;

"If you truly need to go to a .300 magnum, you probably need to go to something, even bigger"!!!

I found that statement quite interesting. Meaning that you can probably shoot most animals with a lot less cartridge than the .300 Magnum and if you really do need a .300 Mag, you probably need an even bigger bore diameter.

I imagine we can take extreme range hunting out of this above statement, in which the .300 Magnum excels at?

Hope this is of some interest to you all!

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: Homer]
#177288 - 17/03/11 08:40 PM

I would go for the .375 H&H Mag for a high dollar custom rifle out of the two, because:

- it is a CLASSIC calibre;

- if it is a high value rifle with very nice wood, metal work etc, it will probably get used LESS, so not get damaged as easily as one used a lot more;

- better re-sale value;

- can still be used for medium game in North America, Alaska, and if you ever get to Africa, why not?

- the .375 can have more custom features on it, compared to a standard factory rifle such as express sights, moon sight, heavier more grained wood, QD mounts, part barrel rib, etc.

- Also I don't like the .300 Win Mag.

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Re: Caliber poll [Re: bonanza]
#177759 - 27/03/11 05:15 PM

1:13am CST, 3/27/11

First, you don't have to go to Africa to find "Dangerous Game". North America has many critters that can be considered quite dangerous at times.

That being said and given only the two selections mentioned, I would opt for the .375 - it is "enough" gun for everything from crows to whatever might want to put a tooth, tusk or claw into you in North America.

My particular choice for a using caliber for anywheres is the .416 Taylor. Sure, it is a LOT of gun - much more than the .375. BUT, you don't always have to shoot top-end, jacketed rounds. Cast bullets can easily and cheaply be used with phenomenal effect at velocities that are a real pleasure to shoot. It is very comforatble, however, to know that you can stop - not just shoot, but STOP - anything with the rifle in your hands!

Best of Luck,

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