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baileybradshaw
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: sirrocco]
      #172296 - 29/11/10 02:00 PM

Thanks Sirrocco,

The further I get with this one, the more I like it. I sure don't feel prolific, just working like mad to make a sucess of my business. I am sure you know the feeling well with your excellent rifles.

I have the chambers precut awaitng the finshing reamer. They are deep enough to accept a case to within 1/2" of being fully seated. One feature that I had hoped would reveal itself is quick reloading due to the twin channels in the top tang. Well it works, just slap then in teh channels and a slight push forward. 10 out of 10 times, the pair went straight into the chambers without fail. With the lever thow of less than 40 degrees, it is within fingertip reach while maintainig grip on the wrist so closing the action is fast with minimal movement.

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baileybradshaw
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #172437 - 01/12/10 06:18 AM

I am considering changing the chmbering to 6.5-06. Not a common double rifle round I know, but much more popular on this side of the pond than the 6.5x57R. This rifle isn't spoken for yet, so I am flexable.

Any thought? Other 6.5 cartridge suggestions?

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #172452 - 01/12/10 11:03 AM

Bailey,
The one that comes to mind, although it's a rimless cartridge, is the classic 6.5 x 55. It's a very fine cartridge, highly under-rated on this side of the pond, which has killed scads of Elg "Moose" in Scandanavia. Can you make a rimless cartridge extract reliably in this action?

Best,
Ron.

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: Ron_Vella]
      #172453 - 01/12/10 11:30 AM

Nice choice Ron.
6.5x55 is definately mainstream. Good cartridge.
If you are going to go with a wildcat like the 6.5-06, why not just find a round that you like, and run a rimmed case into the sizer. Ran a 7x57R into a 257 roberts die to have an easier conversion in a single shot a few years back. Standard reamer and just had to cut the rim recesses on the lathe.
With available 9.3x74r brass as a basis, you can make practically any .470 base round up to the -06 length.
Good luck.

Cheers,

Tom

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: Ron_Vella]
      #172457 - 01/12/10 11:39 AM

I totally agree about the 6.5X55! It's a caliber that kills way beyond what it should.
A buddy here was very into the Swede's mausers and had several mathch quality rifles. I saw him shoot a caribou at around 600 yds. paced off with iron sights. It's an amazing little round.

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baileybradshaw
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: AkMike]
      #172481 - 02/12/10 05:22 AM

For this one, I think I am sticking with the 6.5x57R. It's a dandy, and I will include all of the brass I go through for regulation with the rifle. Load it up wth 160gr and rain down devastation on ferral vermin swine!.....in style :-)

The 57r is basicly the ballistic twin of the Swede. I could make the extractor work just fine for rimless cartridges, but with the rimmed case, I can make it effective enough to act as an ejector. Couple that with the fast reloading the dual tang troughs provide makes the rifle that much more dynamic. Because of that, I like the rimmed option.

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Ben
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #172488 - 02/12/10 07:23 AM

Very nice!

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: Ben]
      #172493 - 02/12/10 08:37 AM

I think 6.5x57R is a fine choice, but you could also consider 6.5x65R

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #172497 - 02/12/10 09:28 AM

The 6.5x57R gets my vote. Cases can be readily formed from .444 Marlin brass for those who are economy minded.

Years ago I had a custom Win. Highwall built as a varminter and chambered for the .257 Roberts rimmed. At that time rimmed European brass, such as 7x57R and 8x57R were hard to come by. I made my brass from .444 Marlin. It's great for such. I'm currently making my 9x57R from the same brass.

The .444 can be troublesome in the 8x57R because the 8mm has a thinner flange. Some will take the .444 and some won't.

Curl

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baileybradshaw
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: CptCurl]
      #172704 - 06/12/10 12:53 PM

Polishing by finger tips off. Sore fingertips are a sighn of a goods days work.

The metalwork is at 50% polish, wood is at 90%. The stock needs about 3 more days of the linseed oil/rottenstone rub down and a day in the sun.







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Edited by CptCurl (06/12/10 01:20 PM)

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #172715 - 06/12/10 09:11 PM

Getting better by the day, wonderful work mate.

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: CptCurl]
      #172721 - 07/12/10 01:51 AM

I have a Brno 304 in 7x57R. I find that .444 Marlin brass works fine in that rifle.

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: sirrocco]
      #172722 - 07/12/10 02:14 AM

Bailey - you are an artist & your engraving - well, that is superb.

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #172731 - 07/12/10 04:46 AM

I am impressed by the craftmanship of yours!!

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: Sville]
      #172739 - 07/12/10 05:43 AM

What's the weight of this lovely lass? I'd guess that 6 1/2 would make it a sweet lively rifle.

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baileybradshaw
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: AkMike]
      #172756 - 07/12/10 12:38 PM

Mike,

It weighs 7 1/2, and it's still sweet and lively :-)

With no forend iron and a shorter action (shorter than a typical break action), the weight is more concentrated so the handling is improved.

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #172797 - 08/12/10 07:20 PM

Watching something progress from an idea into a decorated, finely fit, fully functional, mechanical, fine art, working tool in metal and wood in such a short period of time is remarkable. The fact that it came from one man's mind and hands is simply amazing. Think about it.

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baileybradshaw
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: A10ACN]
      #173126 - 15/12/10 12:29 AM

The reamer came in yesterday. One hour after picking it up at the PO, the rifle was chambered, and by the end of the day, the extractor was timed and flinging cases. I'm working on the firing pins/transfer bars today and may be able to get a few rounds through her this evenning. Definately tomorrow. Fun stuff!

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #173176 - 15/12/10 10:31 PM

This is just great. Sitting here on the edge of my chair!

Curl

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: CptCurl]
      #173183 - 16/12/10 02:28 AM

Quote:

Years ago I had a custom Win. Highwall built as a varminter and chambered for the .257 Roberts rimmed.



Back in the '50's I had a rimmed 250-3000 Savage built on a High Wall Winchester, and formed the cases out of Norma 8X57R brass. The .444 wasn't an option at that time.

I now have a BRNO 21F in 6.5X57, which I load for using 7X57 brass neck turned to assure clearance. I would think that 7X57R S&B brass would be a logical source for 6.5X57R brass.

I warmly second everyone else's comments about the Meisterstück this whole process, from concept to reality, represents. Congratulations!

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baileybradshaw
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: xausa]
      #173198 - 16/12/10 06:14 AM

Ables has S&B 6.5X57R in stock. I just bought 3 boxes.

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=116455

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #173203 - 16/12/10 08:15 AM

Wonderful talent you have! Thanks for sharing those photos.

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baileybradshaw
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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: Ben]
      #173216 - 16/12/10 01:27 PM

Half a box of ammo through her today. Man what a sweet shooting rifle. Comes up and points like a dove gun and the recoil is about like 20 ga. Best thing is the extractor, which seems to be confused because I had to make a point to lower the lever slowly so the cases didn't zip out of the chambers. It must think it's an ejector.

I'm so freakin excited about these rifles it makes me want to run a victory lap around the shop. One of those blind "hog and a truffle" situations, but I'll take them when they come.

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #173320 - 18/12/10 09:06 AM

Nice Bailey sounds like you hit this one out of the park.

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Re: Falling block double prototype [Re: ]
      #173460 - 20/12/10 02:12 PM

Got her regulated. Only took about 30 rounds. ( I like it when it ony takes acouple of trips to the bench and go through 10-15 rounds). I used a vertical wedge as opposed to a wedge that extend horizontaly from the muzzle. Not that one works better than the other, just my preference.

I alway stress over regulation. I want them to shoot the exact spread of the bores s thy shoot paralell. I had it just over an inch twice, but that would cause the groups to grow as range increased. Makes you think more when shooting, and shooting shouldn't be a thinking game in that regard. Well, I finaly have it just right...




Afterward, the front sight base if made and fitted, then soldered in place.



It will be machined to the proper hight, dovetail cut for the sight and of course polished for blueing.

The front sight will be a thin blade with a small bead, rear sight is a three blade ( two folding, one fixed) express sight. I made a batch of these and will have several at the show for sale. There is plenty of rib for mounting a scope, but I don't need one yet, and enjoy hunting with open sights.

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Edited by CptCurl (20/12/10 11:14 PM)

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