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SharpsNitro
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280 Express, what is it?
      #169503 - 14/10/10 12:22 PM

I'm looking at a Westley Richards Mauser that is marked "280 Express". I've searched and can't find anything about this caliber. Is it a 280 Jeffery that they call Express rather than put a competitors name on their rifle? Thanks.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #169505 - 14/10/10 12:38 PM

I suspect it is a 280 Ross.
Perhaps in the Eley loading - not sure if that is any different than the std. 280 Ross / 280 rimless N.E. etc though.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: Huvius]
      #169510 - 14/10/10 02:50 PM

SharpsNitro,

Sure sounds like a .280 Ross, also called the .280 Rimless Nitro Express. The bolt guns had some pretty impressive performance characteristics, for the day. Erin Boyd notes in his "The .280 Ross Rifle, A Fast Shady Lady" a Westley Richards .280 Ross built on a magnum length, square bridge, Oberndorf Mauser action. With modern bullets and powders they're still a hoot. Brass is a trick to find now that Huntington isn't importing the Horneber brass anymore but Quality Cartridge has said they will run a bunch if there is enough demand. I'm thinking it's going to take a bunch of .280 Ross owners getting together to get a run going. I picked up a .280 Ross SXS a couple years back and owning it has been quite the educational experience; shooting lighter loads of course than the bolt guns.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: Buchsemann]
      #169511 - 14/10/10 02:58 PM

Thanks for the inputs guys. I figured it would most likely be either the Jeffery or the Ross. For case availability I am hoping it's the Jeffery.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #169542 - 15/10/10 01:28 AM

SharpsNitro,

If you pick it up please post pictures either way (Jeffery or Ross). I wouldn't let the Ross brass issue detract from what would be a rare, interesting, and high performance weapon (IMHO). One other thing, if it is a Ross, Hawk Precision Bullets makes a 160 grain with a .030" R nose. A Woodleigh .275 H&H (.287" diameter) can be squeezed down to suit as well.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: Buchsemann]
      #169560 - 15/10/10 06:04 AM

I'm trying to work out a deal and will post pictures if I succeed. It's looking like it is a Ross but there is a chance that it is a Jeffery since W-R chambered both rounds.

I see Buffalo Arms sells "280 Ross" cases that have been formed from .348 Win brass. Have you heard anything, good or bad, about these?

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #169564 - 15/10/10 07:04 AM

SharpsNitro,

I haven't used the Buffalo Arms Ross cases as yet and haven't read any reports as yet either but given what is there to start with (rimmed case with material to work with) I'd prefer to use them over messing around with the belted .300 magnum (particularly the .300 H&H). The whole idea of "fire forming" the case forward of the belt is not my cup of tea; some turn down the belt but I'll still pass. It's a personal choice thing though. I'll have to review the dimensions of the Buffalo Arms cases and see how they compare to the original specs; maybe they're just the thing for me as well ($64.00 for 20). The idea of rounding up a bunch of Ross owners to get Pete at Quality Cartridge to make a run of say 800 to 1000 sounds inviting to me. The pluses of having factory repros made are they match factory specs and have the correct head stamp. I know, picky picky.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: Buchsemann]
      #169569 - 15/10/10 08:07 AM

If I end up needing Ross cases I would probably be interested in a 100-200 cases of the real thing if the costs are reasonable.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #169570 - 15/10/10 08:20 AM

100-200 would sure put a healthy dent in the order.

Good luck with your dealing either way.

To be continued ...

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: Buchsemann]
      #169582 - 15/10/10 01:15 PM

Bad news. While I talked to the guy this morning and thought we were negotiating a deal in good faith he contacted me this afternoon to tell me that he sold it to someone else after we talked.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #169585 - 15/10/10 01:48 PM

Rats! I was looking forward to seeing it and perhaps talking "tech" about Ross stuff.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: Buchsemann]
      #169588 - 15/10/10 02:17 PM

I'm really not happy with the situation, it was a really nice rifle at a good price. He tells me that if the deal falls through he will let me know. I don't have too much more to say that doesn't involve profanity.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #169645 - 16/10/10 02:19 AM

I can imagine.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: Buchsemann]
      #169653 - 16/10/10 03:31 AM

.348 brass, unless it is drawn, is only 2.1" long. Too, it has a .545" head and needs to be turned smaller for the .280 - something I have difficulty with. Donnely's book explains doing just this, but I still have a problem with that process in a round that developes around 60,000psi.

Standard Magnum brass can easily be altered by blowing the case out foreward of the belt. I've made 8x68's from .375H&H using this method with perfect results. Altering the brass by turning the belts to .522" was a 10 second job.

For the Ross, the belts would be left full diameter & the .003" discrepancy is within normal specs, as long as the rifle's chamber isn't oversize. I would use .375H&H brass, not .300H&H, as the .375 brass is easily obtained and altered.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: DarylS]
      #169661 - 16/10/10 05:50 AM

Am I wrong, or isn't the base diameter of the Ross larger than that of the H&H?
May lead to extraction problems if it is.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: Huvius]
      #169665 - 16/10/10 08:09 AM

I knew a man who owned an original straight-pull Ross sporter in .280. He formed his cases from RWS 8x68 brass. Though the slightly rebated rim of the 8x68 is a little bit small, they worked perfectly in his repeater.

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Re: 280 Express, what is it? [Re: kuduae]
      #169677 - 16/10/10 10:38 AM

I had a conversation with the seller this morning. Seems a long time customer showed up at the shop after we talked and wanted to buy the rifle so he sold it to him. He admits we were in the process of a deal but decided to sell it to his buddy instead. He admitted he screwed me. An honest man would have told the other guy he was next in line if the deal that was in the works fell through. At the minimum he should have called me and let me try to close the deal first. What sleazy piece of work.

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