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harms
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LT Cap projectiles
#169380 - 12/10/10 03:06 AM

Is there anywhere to purchase LT cap projectiles?
Thanks

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rigbymauser
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: harms]
#169383 - 12/10/10 05:31 AM

Search here on these early borerifles treads. I believe someone here actually would make them for their magnum paradoxs.

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gatsby
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: harms]
#169389 - 12/10/10 11:53 AM

No, not at this time. What gun are trying to regulate?

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harms
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: gatsby]
#169390 - 12/10/10 12:46 PM

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What gun are trying to regulate?

A WR explora.

Thanks for any help

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gatsby
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: harms]
#169401 - 12/10/10 04:42 PM

What are the particulars on your gun, bore and choke etc?

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CommandCar
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: gatsby]
#169921 - 20/10/10 10:44 AM

Hi Harms, Any relation to Dennis in Anchorage?

I tried to PM you, but I guess my high security computer is blocking PMs. Please PM me, I might be able to help.

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gatsby
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: CommandCar]
#169957 - 21/10/10 05:23 AM

CC,
If you have info on capped bullets or their replacements, why not share it on line?

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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: gatsby]
#169965 - 21/10/10 12:07 PM

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CC,
If you have info on capped bullets or their replacements, why not share it on line?

I agree! Lets see it.

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tinker
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: ]
#169973 - 21/10/10 02:27 PM

No kidding--

Don't hide it, Provide It!!

Cheers
Tinker

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CommandCar
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LT Cap projectiles [Re: tinker]
#170000 - 22/10/10 06:39 AM

I know basically how they were made and the exact metallurgy. I have not made any but dream of putting some together someday...

I have a Fauneta. So my primary interest is in the 20. I looked at a Manton's catalog from about 1920 and noticed the Fauneta ammunition was the same price as the .600 NE. If Westley Richards only offers loaded ammunition, I'm not really excited about buying a bunch (not to mention that the 2 year estimate likely laughable).

What is the level of interest here? What do you need, 20 or 12 (or 8) bore LT Capped?
Can you make tooling? Do you have a spinning lathe? CNC spinning lathe?

Maybe there is enough interest to get this done.

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gatsby
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: CommandCar]
#170001 - 22/10/10 07:08 AM

I could use a lot of 12 (600) and a few 20 (200) but ultimately price will be somewhat of a factor. I would be more interested in the capped bullet than a loaded cartridge. Only one 8 bore explora I am aware of so that individual is on his own!

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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: gatsby]
#170003 - 22/10/10 09:04 AM

Commandcar:

PM sent

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CommandCar
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: ]
#170010 - 22/10/10 12:04 PM

Below is the chemical compositon of the alloys used in the LT Capped Projectile. The information was obtained by X-ray defraction analysis.

Edited by CptCurl (25/10/10 11:07 AM)

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Anonymous
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: CommandCar]
#170011 - 22/10/10 12:17 PM

Interesting stuff.. Would you mind if I forwarded this information to Simon at Westley Richards? They are currently working on reintroducing this round again and may not have access to a x ray.

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CommandCar
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: ]
#170012 - 22/10/10 12:24 PM

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Interesting stuff.. Would you mind if I forwarded this information to Simon at Westley Richards? They are currently working on reintroducing this round again and may not have access to a x ray.

Please do... It took quite a bit of work to get this done, I've shared it with just a few people. I guess I just went public...

I'll follow up on your PM tomorrow, this computer frowns upon sending PM's. Send me a PM with your email and I'll send the PDF file if you prefer.

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tinker
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: CommandCar]
#170018 - 22/10/10 03:29 PM

That's a great image of the cartridge.

I saw that one for the first time a few years ago on the muniticon site.

When did you do the alloy analysis?

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Tinker

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Sarg
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: tinker]
#170025 - 22/10/10 08:04 PM

Yes good photo of how one is made , I posted same back in 2008 on "Any intrest in LT caps" photos seem to be gone now how ever !

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rigbymauser
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: Sarg]
#170034 - 22/10/10 10:27 PM

Depends on price, I could also take a few of these caps in 12bore. No, I do not yet have a magnum explora, but who knows in the years to come.

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: rigbymauser]
#170036 - 22/10/10 10:57 PM

I have to admit, if they could start making these in 20 bore with the projectile weighing 1 ounce travelling at 1400 fps I might consider an Ovundo with drop locks that patterned IC with shot, what an overall gun !! General ? thoughts ?
best
Mike

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CommandCar
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: tinker]
#170039 - 22/10/10 11:52 PM

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When did you do the alloy analysis?

Cheers
Tinker

Samples were run twice. About 2 1/2 years ago I used some online lead alloy company. They came up with a Tantalum Gold alloy (95%/5% approx). When I recovered from the shocking news, I spoke to the Tech ane he claimed he ran the samples several extra times to confirm the finding. I was not fully satisfied with these results so about a year ago, I found a friend who deals in brass alloys, actually brass and copper powders. His tech ran the samples from a Super Magnum cartridge and came up with the results seen here.

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rigbymauser
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: CommandCar]
#170040 - 23/10/10 12:12 AM

I wonder if they could be made in aluminum, and just have a solid head without upsetting the regulation too much ?. The aluminumheads could ofcouse have a hole drilled from the base to take even more weight from them.
The perfect head would ofcouse the make them in the alloys they originally were swaged in.

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Anonymous
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#170044 - 23/10/10 01:29 AM

Quote:

I have to admit, if they could start making these in 20 bore with the projectile weighing 1 ounce travelling at 1400 fps I might consider an Ovundo with drop locks that patterned IC with shot, what an overall gun !! General ? thoughts ?
best
Mike

This would be a neat idea, and since they have the CAD already setup for the Ovundo it would just be adding the rifled choked barrels. I am planning on attending SCI Reno and have some time with Simon set aside. If your serious about a gun, that would a good time to sit down with us and put our heads together. Simon is working on the Fauneta project as we speak. I would prefer to see you with a side by side, though understand your hooked on the O/U concept.

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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: rigbymauser]
#170045 - 23/10/10 01:33 AM

Notice the brass hull, with 2-thickness carboard liner. I think I'd simply be matching weight and adjust for regulation by load. A hollow base with thick walls, or hollow point might be necessary to lighten a solid lead projectile while maintaining some length.

I wouldn't put the wieght of the pictured slug at much over 300gr. total weight.

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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: DarylS]
#170047 - 23/10/10 01:42 AM

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Notice the brass hull, with 2-thickness carboard liner. I think I'd simply be matching weight and adjust for regulation by load. A hollow base with thick walls, or hollow point might be necessary to lighten a solid lead projectile while maintaining some length.

I wouldn't put the wieght of the pictured slug at much over 300gr. total weight.

There 425 grain projectiles.

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CommandCar
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Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: ]
#170048 - 23/10/10 02:13 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Notice the brass hull, with 2-thickness carboard liner. I think I'd simply be matching weight and adjust for regulation by load. A hollow base with thick walls, or hollow point might be necessary to lighten a solid lead projectile while maintaining some length.

I wouldn't put the wieght of the pictured slug at much over 300gr. total weight.

There 425 grain projectiles.

20 bore = 425 grains

pictured is a 12 bore cartridge
Super Magnum and standard Explora = 730 grains

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