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kaizer2007
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Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting.
      #166271 - 16/08/10 01:48 AM

Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting.
Please share opportunities caliber .243Win on hunt, the minimum and maximum distance shots,
the minimum and maximum weight of the killed animal.
Thanks for your reply.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: kaizer2007]
      #166306 - 16/08/10 05:59 PM

300 yards,Elk would be the largest animal i would be happy to use 243 on.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: TOP_PREDATOR]
      #166317 - 16/08/10 11:28 PM

.243 it is possible to utillize for hunt on a wild boar and black - brown bear?
What optimum distance of hunt on information of animals?
Thank you for an answer.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: kaizer2007]
      #166319 - 17/08/10 12:48 AM

As I understand it, in Germany the .243 is considered only suitable for roe deer. It lacks the performance required for a hunting rifle cartridge for heavier game such as red deer, wild boar and bear. In this country (USA), where there are generally no such restrictions, the .243 with heavy weight bullets is considered adequate for white tail deer, antelope and black bear. I would personally prefer something more substantial for wild boar, elk and moose.

If your country's hunting laws have caliber restrictions, I would consult them before investing in a .243.

The cartridge is superbly accurate at ranges out to 600 yards, but 300 yards should be the maximum hunting range, in my opinion. This would be with the heaviest bullets available (95-100 grain).

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: kaizer2007]
      #166320 - 17/08/10 12:51 AM

One of my favorite calibers that can do many different things depending on what and how you load for it...

Have loaded mine with 70 gr Ballistic tips with a mv of around 3550--works great on Prairie dogs and coyotes..have also used that same load for antelope many times ---have made shots one them using this load at slightly over 400 yards--please remember though, in my experience and the dozens I have shot, antelope die fairly easily..not even close to the same class as elk..

Have also used it on black bear--while I don't consider it an ideal caliber for black bear--again bullet selection and placement are important as always..--worked fine and also one shot as well...

Have a ranch client that has used only a .243 on elk for over 25 years---again, DON'T think this is the perfect caliber for game this size . Shot placement and bullet selection are critical..IMHO...--elk are very tough...and can travel for miles if not hit properly--personally for elk I use either a 300 Win, 300 Ultra or 338 Ultra..extremely effective..

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: Ripp]
      #166339 - 17/08/10 07:45 AM

Ripp,

What bullets did you use on black bear?

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #166351 - 17/08/10 01:47 PM

used the old Nosler Partition...don't use them much anymore but they work...

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: Ripp]
      #166353 - 17/08/10 02:08 PM

Quote:

used the old Nosler Partition...don't use them much anymore but they work...

Ripp


Interestingly me as will work on a black bear bullet
Hornady 6mm .243 100 gr InterLock BTSP and
6mm .243 100gr InterLock SP.
This information interesting about work of this bullet and on other animals, is distance, maximal weight of animal, opening of bullets on different distances.

Edited by kaizer2007 (17/08/10 05:21 PM)

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: kaizer2007]
      #166383 - 18/08/10 12:13 AM

I'd be inclined to use either the 100gr. Partition or an 80 to 85gr. TSX for all game shooting with a 6mm.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: DarylS]
      #166399 - 18/08/10 03:48 AM

I have used the 90gr Sciroccos with good results on smaller deer - but for larger, tougher game I prefer a .270 or .30

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: Ripp]
      #166403 - 18/08/10 06:13 AM

Thanks Ripp. I have a .257 Imp that I have been loading with the 117gr Sierras; recently, I picked up some 120gr A-frames to try out.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #166407 - 18/08/10 10:26 AM

You will LOVE the A-Frames as far as penetration..in some calibers they can be a bit more finicky to get to shoot well--when I went from Scirrocos to A-Frames I switched to RETUMBO powder basically because I had read an article in one of my magazines stating it worked well--it did-and have used it ever since in the 300 Ultra-mag--good velocity and very accurate..

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: Ripp]
      #166409 - 18/08/10 11:25 AM

I'm not sure the 257 is over-bored enough to use Retumbo, at least I've never seen any load data for it. A couple of weeks ago I picked up a pound of the new Hodgdon Hybrid 100V, their manual claims to get 3050fps out of the standard 257 Roberts with the 115gr bullet. With the improved case I should be able to up that by about 2.5gr, I'm interested to see what the velocity ends up being. Hopefully, Hodgdon isn't being overly optimistic with their numbers.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #166436 - 18/08/10 11:46 PM

Sorry, I should have mentioned this, I was not implying to use Retumbo in your .257 merely stating in my 300 Ultra--I had to switch from RL-22 to Retumbo to get tight groups with the A-frames..

have a Remington Titanium action with Hart Barrel chambered in .257 Weatherby--on of my all time favorite calibers and guns..shooting 100GR Barnes Triple Shocks anywhere from 3650 to 3700 plus--incredible mule deer and antelope round..the last antelope I shot with i, I could see the hair from the off side exit would float through the air from where I made the shot, around 350 yds...Love the smell of gun powder in the morning..

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: Ripp]
      #166437 - 19/08/10 12:17 AM

With my IMP .257 Roberts, I achieved 3,482fps with 100gr. Noslers and 3,217fps with 120gr. Hornady's. I used only H4831 and IMR 4350.
No pressure problems and achieve long case life - no expanded primer pockets. I used 6MM RP brass.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: Ripp]
      #166501 - 20/08/10 01:43 AM

Quote:

Sorry, I should have mentioned this, I was not implying to use Retumbo in your .257 merely stating in my 300 Ultra--I had to switch from RL-22 to Retumbo to get tight groups with the A-frames..




No problem, I didn't think you were. It might be a good idea to try Retumbo though, Hodgdon has load data for it for both the 243 and 25-06 with the heavy bullets so it should work in the 257.

I have not had the rifle long enough to work my way up to high velocity loads yet. I've basically just finished fire forming a bunch of cases and am now getting started with real loads.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #167217 - 04/09/10 11:09 PM

I've used mine of large pigs (200lbs+) and the 243 with 100 grain Core Lokt at 3050fps works emphatically. Have taken goats for meat as well as pest destruction. I was so impressed at how well it performed that I am keen to try it on a donkey cull. These animals can weigh between 300lbs and 450lbs and will provide the next test in terms of performance.

Biggest advantage of the cull hunt is that I can shoot multiple animals and really understand performance. Shooting one deer doesn't prove lots one way or the other. Shooting 50 - 60 head of game with the one load gives you an idea of the consistency of your load under varying conditions.

There are ballistically better bullets than the Remington Core Lokt but I'm not sure they kill any better (or as well). The core lokts I've used so far have expanded, held together and penetrated. Wounds have been much larger than I would have anticipated. Certainly larger than other 243 loads I've used. Even though the BC is not as advantageous as some, 243's start to run out of steam for larger medium game at 250 - 300 yards. Not sure really high BC's matter under these conditions.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: RigbyUser]
      #167239 - 05/09/10 08:31 AM

Well, I've seen a .22-250 do some amazing work on big game (buffalo, brumby, camel), and I've also seen it struggle, which generally isn't a nice thing to see. A wild man I know has shot many buffalo with a .243 successfully, but, and I hate to say it, he has also lost quite a few. The reality is the two calibres I just mentioned really are kangaroo culling rounds. What is possible isn't always what is best, and as all bullets lose steam downrange, more grains is dependable as ever.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: RigbyUser]
      #167267 - 05/09/10 06:58 PM

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I've used mine of large pigs (200lbs+) and the 243 with 100 grain Core Lokt at 3050fps works emphatically. Have taken goats for meat as well as pest destruction. I was so impressed at how well it performed that I am keen to try it on a donkey cull. These animals can weigh between 300lbs and 450lbs and will provide the next test in terms of performance.

Biggest advantage of the cull hunt is that I can shoot multiple animals and really understand performance. Shooting one deer doesn't prove lots one way or the other. Shooting 50 - 60 head of game with the one load gives you an idea of the consistency of your load under varying conditions.

There are ballistically better bullets than the Remington Core Lokt but I'm not sure they kill any better (or as well). The core lokts I've used so far have expanded, held together and penetrated. Wounds have been much larger than I would have anticipated. Certainly larger than other 243 loads I've used. Even though the BC is not as advantageous as some, 243's start to run out of steam for larger medium game at 250 - 300 yards. Not sure really high BC's matter under these conditions.


Hi.
I see that shot in large animal by a caliber .243 obligates to hit the mark of vital organs of animal exactly - success is then possible.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: kaizer2007]
      #167269 - 05/09/10 07:22 PM

No matter the calibre, big or small, hitting the mark exactly is what is always called-for. The cool thing about a bigger calibre is that you don't have to worry about shot angles so much, as there is nearly always an angle (with the right bullet). With a big calibre, the path to the vitals is always open (at least on Australian game). Even so, rear-raking shots are only done on already hit beasts.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: Ben]
      #167292 - 06/09/10 04:57 AM

The .243 will a light fragile bullet is popular on kangaroos in Australia.

Also a good choice for goats, pigs and the lighter deer species including fallow, chital, rusa, reds and perfect for hog deer.

On my NT trip this week, one of the guys used a .243 on pigs and donkeys. Killed the donkeys fine too.

As with most calibres put a bullet in the right place with the right bullet for the task and it works.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: NitroX]
      #169009 - 05/10/10 08:31 PM

NitroX can you remember what bullets the chap was using on donkeys?

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: RigbyUser]
      #169022 - 06/10/10 02:23 AM

He used factory ammo, with I believe 100 gr Corelock projectiles.

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Re: Possibilities .243Win caliber hunting. [Re: NitroX]
      #169037 - 06/10/10 04:38 AM

Over here, 243win is only legal for roedeer and smaller animals. With that said, I personally have no doubt that it should be allowed on reindeer too, but the pencil pushers think otherwise.

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