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szihn
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English style stalking rifle
      #168375 - 24/09/10 02:41 PM

Howdy guys.
I am going to build an English Stalking rifle in the coming year for sale. I have barrels in 20 16 and 12 bore. All rifled properly.
I have not made my mind up as to which one to make first. I have some very nice walnut to use, and I will make it in either a Rigby or a Purdey style, both from the 1850s. Muzzleloading English and Irish rifles of that era were such wonderful hunting arms, and they are always a delight to handle and hunt with.
Anyway, if any of you would like such a rifle, please let me know.
Price will vary depending on how fancy the rifle is to be, but even the low end will be very nice.
I have several rifles to make first for customers that have been waiting, but I am coming up on a time when I will be able to make one for "speculation.
If interested, please let me know.
Steve Zihn


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500grains
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Re: English style stalking rifle [Re: szihn]
      #168378 - 24/09/10 03:06 PM

I can't wait to see pics of the progress!

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szihn
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Re: English style stalking rifle [Re: 500grains]
      #168381 - 24/09/10 03:40 PM

It's going to be a while 500, but here are some pics of others I have done in the past.


































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fuhrmann
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Re: English style stalking rifle [Re: szihn]
      #168405 - 25/09/10 12:55 AM

I sent a PM!
Best regards,
Fuhrmann


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DarylS
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Re: English style stalking rifle [Re: fuhrmann]
      #168407 - 25/09/10 01:20 AM

Steve- I find the full length pictured rifle, with the brass tube through the guard to be the most pleasing to my eye. The one in the last picture is similar, but seems to have a shorter forend. Actually, the one with the tube is the closest in profile to my own rifle - what a fantastic pointing rifle - almost like a shotgun. Sights line up on the 'spot' automatically.

Great work!

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Daryl


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szihn
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Re: English style stalking rifle [Re: DarylS]
      #168410 - 25/09/10 02:27 AM



Thanks Daryl.
I make all my rifles to fit the customer who orders, so they all seem to "aim themselves" However that was how most British rifles were made to fit. Many other rifles were not.
T measure my clients for length of pull, drop at comb, drop at heel, drop at toe, cast off and pitch.
I do this for British rifle but I do the same for "Militiamen’s rifle" Jaegers, Indian Trade rifles and everything in-between.
I build from blanks, so it's just as easy for me to make a gun fit perfectly as it is to make it any other way.
It's one of the benefits to ordering a custom rifle.
Custom is often thought of as 'expensive" ------- but it's not necessarily. It simply means that you get one made to your specs.
It can be very expensive ($12,000) but I also build rifles for around the $1,400 too. I try to build to please my customers in every way I can.
The other benefit of ordering a custom rifle is that you need not pay for the whole thing all at one time.
So I find that MANY simple working men can afford a $3,000 rifle over 2 years and a lot of the same men can't afford a $1,500 gun in one visit to a sporting goods store.
My British style rifles start at $2200 and go up to about $3500 in calibers up to 66. Over 66 the price starts to go up a little bit, because I need to buy wood a bit thicker, and I sometimes have to make the breach plugs from bar stock. At 8 bore and up, there is another jump in cost, and the 4s and 2s cost much more because there are so few parts that can be purchased, so much needs to be hand made.

However, dedicated muzzleloader hunters find that 58, 62 and 66 calibers will cover 99% of all the hunting you’d ever do. 66 (16 bore)was the most popular caliber in India, the heyday of the British Empire and was also very popular in Africa.

I will make a 12 bore in the future as a hunting gun. It may seem huge to those that are not familiar with such guns, but we have many hundreds of thousands of hunter go afield every year in parts of the USA armed with modern 12 gauge slug guns, and they don’t see them as “huge”.
How powerful such rifle are is a function of powder charge. A 12 bore rifle with 100 grains of powder is very pleasant to fire.
Put in 200 grains and you have a real stopper. Recoil goes WAY up, but such a rifle will drop a buffalo without any trouble.
Even an 8 bore with 140 grains is very nice to fire.

I love the beauty of these old style guns myself.
Happy hunting.
Steve


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Re: English style stalking rifle [Re: szihn]
      #168423 - 25/09/10 11:33 AM

I have a 14 bore rifle and would prefer a 16 bore, I think. I've shot my buddies 11 bore and it's more than I like - both in recoil and trajectory. The 14 and 16's shoot more like varmint rifles in comparrison.
A 16 would be the ultimate for North America, I firmly believe - although I do like the way the 14 bore 'crushes' moose. 165gr. 2f works. In the 16 bore, 145gr.2F would do a very similar job - of that I am also certain - and kick less as well.

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Daryl


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szihn
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Re: English style stalking rifle [Re: DarylS]
      #168426 - 25/09/10 01:17 PM


I might agree that the 66 is the very best "one gun fits all" size, but I have never found room to complane about my 62 either.
I killed a moose with my 62 cal Flinter several years ago. I used 140 gr of 3F and a .600" ball.
The moose dropped like a deer hit with a 270.
That almost never happens with moose (as I am sure you know)

I have killed moose with 375H&H, and one with a 348 Winchester. The 62 was WAY faster to put the moose on the ground. Even better then the 375, (and I love a 375.) There is something to be said for bullet diameter, --- and the ball still weighs about 320 grains.
VERY effective!


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