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Ben
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Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots...
      #165528 - 02/08/10 07:33 PM

Well, I've seen some movies and read Craig's book, and understand about charge situations and wounding situations, and my question is this: How many of you guys killed your buffalo with your own shooting only? Thanks for the input.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165537 - 02/08/10 09:53 PM

I certainly did.

Had a good talk to my PH "BEFORE" the hunt about what we both expected.we came to the agreement that he wasnt to shoot unless one of us was in danger.

We also talked through what was to be done if charged by an Elephant.

I would say 99% of hunters take their Buff on their own no worries.

Cheers Neale.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: FATBOY404]
      #165538 - 02/08/10 09:58 PM

Thanks, Neale.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165545 - 02/08/10 10:39 PM

At this time , i shoot 9 buffalos in Africa and 3 in Asia :

1 Malaysia 1 shot 9,3x74R , own shooting !
1 Ouganda 1 shot 375H&H, own shooting , 1 shot 458 Win.Mag. PH !
2 Tanzania 1 shot 10,75x68 each , own shooting !
1 Malaysia 1 shot 9,3x74R , own shooting !
1 Namibia 1 shot 10,75x68 , own shooting !
1 Malaysia 1 shot 9,3x74R , own shooting , 1 shot 460 WM PH after charging !
1 Burkina Faso 2 shots 460WM , own shooting !
1 Zimbabwe 2 shots 500 Jeffery , own shooting !
1 Burkina Faso 4 shots 460WM , own shooting ,.. and a charge !
1 Burkina faso 1 shot 460WM , own shooting !
1 Burkina Faso 2 shots 460WM , own shooting !

1 buffalo wounded and lost in Burkina Faso ! In this country you have only the assistance of a local guide oftens without a rifle !

I tried to reply honestly !

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165548 - 02/08/10 10:55 PM

Namibia's Caprivi Strip - two years ago - 1 shot from a .416 Rigby - my own shot.

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Ben
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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #165549 - 02/08/10 11:12 PM

Thanks, fellows! Grandveneur, that is an impressive list of adventure! Mike, the Caprivi Strip is the stuff of legend! Cheers.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165553 - 02/08/10 11:20 PM

One shot from my CZ .458 plus an insurance shot. No PH shooting. We discussed it prior to stepping out after Buff and he would have shot if he thought the situation warranted it. He knows them far better than me.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: controlled_feed]
      #165561 - 03/08/10 12:42 AM

One cape buffalo in the Matetsi. One shot through the lungs with the .375, 300 gr Woodleigh RNSP. It ran a few metres. After a wait of a few seconds it seemed to improve, second shot just above the heart with a 300 gr Woodleigh FMJ. It ran about 30 to 50 metres angling across our front, and stopped, spun in circles a few times and died.

PH didn't shoot.

Some PH's seem to like to shoot as well. Discuss this prior to the hunt or even booking, when they should and when they feel they should. Work it out before hand.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: NitroX]
      #165569 - 03/08/10 01:08 AM

I agree with Finn Aagaard policy, if client approves,(or not, dunno where he stood on that) if it a big five animal, thus dangerous, if it doesnīt drop to the shot to allow a second shot but starts running then the PH should back up if possible. My Buff, first shot with a .416, right in the boiler room, jumped in the air hunched up but then, offski, a shot from my PH with .470, too far back but better than nothing, he was travelling then, he made about 80yds and into some really thick sh*T, we gave him 1/2 an hour then went in, he tried to get up, couldnīt, I could barely see him through the scope from 25 yds !! shot him twice more with the .416 then he pegged it. as far as I am concerned I am on a safari to enjoy myself and hunt, plains game only I shoot, if it can kill a tracker, me or the PH I have no problem with back up shots if my first one isnīt good enough to drop the bugger. If someone got hurt or worse because I insisted my PH could only shoot under extremes then that would be a big cross for me to bear, just my thoughts, Mike

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: NitroX]
      #165570 - 03/08/10 01:08 AM

My buff had one bullet in the lungs and sounded pretty sick from it as he waited in some brush, watching his backtrack.

I was ready to finish him off but the PH subscribed to the view that some charges may not be stopped, so opted take the task on himself and put three quick .458 solids through the chest from the side.

It's one thing for the client to want achievement and excitement, but I guess the PH owes a duty to his wife and family, too.

- Paul

Edited by Paul (03/08/10 11:46 PM)

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Paul]
      #165611 - 03/08/10 06:55 AM

Thanks, fellows.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165633 - 03/08/10 02:27 PM

I had a PH shoot at one of my Buffalo once but he missed.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: ozhunter]
      #165666 - 03/08/10 11:56 PM

Can understand that a bit, Adam, if he was using express sights, even though he was the PH.

I wonder if my second shot at the fleeing buff went over his back because I didn't pull the bead down hard into the V, the kind of miss not likely with a peep sight.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Paul]
      #165668 - 04/08/10 04:33 AM

Quote:

My buff had one bullet in the lungs and sounded pretty sick from it as he waited in some brush, watching his backtrack.

I was ready to finish him off but the PH subscribed to the view that some charges may not be stopped, so opted take the task on himself and put three quick .458 solids through the chest from the side.



Why didn't he move you into position especially if you were standing very close (or not?) ?

Personally I don't pay for a PH to do my hunting, and some can be very apt to do that quickly.

There is a video on the market where the PH shoots every time the same time as the famous client.

I would not use that guy, unless after a discussion he agreed not to do the same on my hunt. Maybe it was arranged with the client in terms of the video, ie wanting to make sure of quick kills? I don't know, but it doesn't look good to me on the video.

I know of Aussie guys that have done DIY cape buffalo hunts ie purchased in the past at auctions. A PH is largely used IMO for local knowledge, being able to speak to non-English speaking trackers, have the rights to the concession and often because it is required by law.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165673 - 04/08/10 06:48 AM

I have killed 3 cape buffalo--all with my shots only...

thank you

Ripp

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ripp]
      #165674 - 04/08/10 06:59 AM

First Buffalo - Okavango Delta - 5 shots 375 H&h all mine
Second Buffalo - Okavango Delta - 2 shots 404 Jeff all mine
two different PH's but both held fire and let me finish

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: TerryR]
      #165675 - 04/08/10 07:12 AM

Thanks, fellows. John, the DVD that raised my eyebrows a little was the latter part of Craig's "Buffalo 2". I really like this movie. In the first half, quite a few clients did all the work themselves, whereas in the second, it seemed the PHs were getting into the action quite early, in many instances. A very good film, though.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165678 - 04/08/10 07:50 AM

Six Cape buffalo on my list, no shots by PH.

Five with my wildcat .505, one with my Krieghoff .458 Teck O/U double rifle.

First one at about 60 yards, one .505 through the shoulder, ran about fifty yards and piled up.

Next three were members of a herd we walked up on. Each got a .505 bullet in the middle of the chest from about 40 yards. One was on his feet when we followed up, one more shot broadside put him down. The other two were dead when we located them. One was facing us in a clump of underbrush and no way to confirm that he was dead by the usual means, so we put a couple of .458's in him for good measure.

Number five was facing me in the middle of an open field, about 100 yards away, with no means of getting closer. It took one shot into the middle of his chest from the sitting position with the scoped .458 to put him down. No second shot needed.

Nember five was a running broadside shot. I put four .505's into him as fast as I could operate the bolt, three were in a group I could cover with my hand, just at the point of the shoulder. He went down so suddenly that his nose ploughed up the ground. The PH was not even present.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165682 - 04/08/10 09:43 AM

Yes fatboy is correct make sure it is very clear with ur hired help that you get the 1st second shot off and no one else gets a crack in that's what you are paying if this happens to be the case ... cheers

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: lapua]
      #165713 - 04/08/10 09:23 PM

Ben,

Like you, all I have are DVD's, the internet and memorys until I go back to Africa in 2014.

Get the Buzz Charleton DVD's Hunting the African Elephant and Zambezi Extreme. He has footage of some abysmal weapons handling. One bloke loses control of his double while checking his sights off a bench.

We are all gun nuts on here. I assume some of these guys who can afford the hunts pictured, seem to be older and a little on the 'comfort side'(Not unlike myself). I am only guessing, but some of them in brand new clothes and sad weapons handling maybe only one-time safaris clients.

I'm sure a PH would be able to convince them to allow him to back them up rather than lose an expensive trophy. I would not like to hunt somthing large and expensive knowing the guy next to me can't hang on to his rifle. Hardly confidence inspiring.

Edited by tophet1 (04/08/10 09:24 PM)

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: tophet1]
      #165715 - 04/08/10 09:37 PM

G'day John,

I've not been at all, yet. I'm planning and dreaming at this stage, but I hope that the buffalo, scrub bulls and camels I meet here will teach me a few valuable lessons for when the time comes. I have both those movies, and will have to watch them again more carefully. I can't imagine going on a safari without being an enthusiast to begin with.

Hey, speaking of Zambezi Extreme, wasn't there an Aussie featured on that film who knocked-over a nice elephant? Was he the bloke who'd had a motorbike crash just before leaving for Africa?

Cheers,

Ben

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165719 - 04/08/10 10:29 PM

Ben,

As a southerner, the experiences you are having in the NT sound rather exceptional.

This is heresy, but you may find Africa a bit of a dissapointment unless you decide to hunt something unique and specific. Me, I'm obsessed with Kudu.

Others on here with far more experience than I can comment.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: Ben]
      #165756 - 05/08/10 01:47 PM

Quote:

G'day John,

I've not been at all, yet. I'm planning and dreaming at this stage, but I hope that the buffalo, scrub bulls and camels I meet here will teach me a few valuable lessons for when the time comes. I have both those movies, and will have to watch them again more carefully. I can't imagine going on a safari without being an enthusiast to begin with.



Ben,

If you can hunt and kill a big water buffalo bull well, IMO you can also do the same with cape buffalo. If anything water buffalo IMO are a little harder to kill, but hell I've only shot one cape buffalo, so know f'all.

Cape buffalo definitely have more of an "edge" to them though.

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Re: Question for the Cape buffalo hunters re: PH b-u shots... [Re: grandveneur]
      #165809 - 06/08/10 02:50 AM

I shot my daggaboy at about 20 or 30 steps with a 500 grain A-Frame from the .458 lott. It rocked him pretty good. I worked in two more solids going away and heard the death bellow in a couple of minutes. I practiced alot working the bolt and backing my own shot. I am very glad I did. I would not have been disappointed if the situation had required my PH to shoot. I am sure if you get on the bolt and back your own shot that it will hardly be likey anyone else will have to shoot. Use enough gun! Always pay the insurance...the "dead ones" get up and kill you.

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