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Homer
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10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame?
      #162357 - 19/06/10 05:54 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Whilst I have a Glock 21 in 10mm Auto, I personally think Glocks have about as much character and personality as a...........?..............?.............?as a Greens Politician!!!

Any way, I would like to build up a 1911 framed pistol in 10mm Auto but was wondering about the service life of such a pistol, in this caliber?
Any NE Forum readers with Personal experience or knowledge on this subject, would be appreciated.

I see Kimber are now chambering their 1911's in 10mm (with ramped/supported Barrel???) and that Colt have re-released the Delta Elite in 10mm (with a conventional unsupported barrel).

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Homer]
      #162407 - 20/06/10 09:51 AM

If you are looking to do a build you should look at Fusion Firearms www.Fusionfirearms.com . They do a lot of guns in 10mm and their parts and service are top notch. I recently got one of their custom Officers in 45acp and it's the nicest I've seen. I'm not sure if your being in Australia is a problem or not. They have three 10mm listed on www.gunbroker.com at the moment if you want to see what they look like. I'm hoping to buy one soon.

Edited by SharpsNitro (20/06/10 09:52 AM)


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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #162416 - 20/06/10 04:15 PM

G'Day Sharps Nitro,

Thank You for the Fusion Firearms tip but I was thinking of building one up from scratch.
The Fusion 1911's are a nice looking piece of kit!

The more 10mil's I see being offered, the more I assume that a correctly fitted and assembled 1911 in this caliber, would have a reasonable service life?

Thanks again.

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Homer]
      #162462 - 21/06/10 05:19 AM

Hommer,

Take a closer look at the Fusion website, they sell a full selection of parts for a do-it-yourself job as well as pre-fit kits. You could get most everything you need for a build from them.


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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Homer]
      #162503 - 21/06/10 08:45 PM

Gentlemen,

not exactly the subject, but I own a LAR Grizzly in 45 WinMag with an additional 5 1/4" barrel/spring/magazine set in 10mm Auto.
The pistol has a good weight and, therefore, a recoil which is good to control (like a .45 ACP in a standard 1911).
But I suspect the recoil of a full house 10mm Auto in a standard 1911 frame to be difficult to control for longer shooting sessions (i.e. IPSC matches).

I like the 10mm Auto very much because it is in the LAR a very precise cartridge and easy to reload.

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Rolf]
      #162552 - 22/06/10 01:47 PM

Rolf,

I used to have one of the Springfield Omegas (SA frame and Peters-Stahl slide and barrel) in 6". Interesting gun that shot well and not a lot of recoil, I sold it due to the reputation for fragility and hard to get parts. I recently picked up a Glock 29 to carry in the field, recoil isn't that bad but the muzzle blast is kind of ferocious.


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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #162697 - 24/06/10 06:48 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Yes, I once had a job to repair job on an Peter Stahl (cal?), where the link type extension on the bottom of the barrel, had broken off. Luckily, the owner had a spare barrel but...........

Thank you for your input on this subject.

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Homer]
      #163063 - 30/06/10 01:19 PM

I'll second the votes for Fusion. if I ever get around to starting I'll be building one myself. I have built using their parts before, and the company's owner(who was the vice president of Dan Wesson before they were sold) will quickly answer any question you have. Another big plus is the availability of pre-fitted kits for those who lack the tools to fit a slide and barrel. The hard work is done already, now you buy the other parts, assemble, test and choose your finish.

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Shackleton]
      #163074 - 30/06/10 06:04 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Thank you for the insight into Fusion Firearms Shackleton.
Smaller businesses are usually better to deal with.

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Homer]
      #163644 - 08/07/10 07:47 AM


SVI made me a gun in 10 mm to my specs. You have endless choices with them, the look of the guns is extraordinary, and the precision is second to none:

Here are the gun-builder choices open to you with them:

http://www.sviguns.com/1101.php?indx=3


And here are some pictures of how the guns look like:

http://www.sviguns.com/1500.php

Edited by 404bearslayer (08/07/10 07:49 AM)


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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: 404bearslayer]
      #163840 - 11/07/10 05:03 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Thank You 404 Bear Slayer for your insight into the SVI range of pistols.
Unfortunately for me in this case, I find the polymer framed 1911 type pistols similar aesthetically, to a Glock pistol.
What I would like to build up, is a conventional 1911 metal frame pistol, with fancy wood grip panels etc. Maybe a stainless frame and blued slide or all stainless metal?
I need to do some more research on what way I will go but probably a Caspian single stack frame and then go from there?

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Homer]
      #163847 - 11/07/10 10:04 PM


Hommer,

understood - the SVI do look very 'futuristic' (which I happen to like). Maybe you should find an old Colt 10mm 'Delta Elite' and use this as a base for some conversions. I shot that gun when it came out and it did handle and shoot very well. I would in any case suggest that you get a 6' barrel - the cartridge only comes to life with that barrel length, also it cuts the recoil and makes it easier to shoot as the long barrel steadies the gun.


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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: 404bearslayer]
      #163849 - 11/07/10 10:34 PM

G'Day 404 Bear Slayer,

Whilst I do like some of my firearms in general to have that Futuristic Look about them, I would like this particular 10mm Auto, to be somewhat more traditional in appearance.
Thank you for the tip on the 6" barrel, in this cartridge!
I know Caspian make a 6" 1911 slides, so that may be the way I go?

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Homer]
      #163851 - 12/07/10 12:01 AM


Caspian appears to be a good choice.

What you might also think about is to get a set of springs with different lbs / resistance settings, so that you can try which works best. 10 mm guns especially benefit from a spring that is matched to a particular slide / ammo. I had some initial feeding issues that I could solve that way.

Equally, installing a guide-rod buffer helps with a powerful cartridge like that. I installed one that works quite well. A 6 inch slide already eliminates wear issues to a degree, but I would try it anyhow, as this part is very cheap and 10 mms are hard on the slide- early Colt Delta models were known to develop cracked slides.


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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: 404bearslayer]
      #163985 - 13/07/10 09:42 PM

G'Day 404 Bear Slayer,

Again, Thank You for your input on this subject.

Yes I imagine the additional weight of a 6" slide and barrel will also help to tame the recoil, a bit also!

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: Homer]
      #165215 - 30/07/10 04:16 AM

you will have to be a bit careful colts delta elite made on a 1911 frame/slide had the habit of cracking the frames. the 10 was a bit much for them. S&W's 1006/1076 is similar but was made to handle the 10 and works wonderful.

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: butchloc]
      #165241 - 30/07/10 05:17 PM

G'Day Butchloc,

Thank you for your advice on 1911 frame cracking when shooting the 10mm.
I was hoping that utilising recoil buffers which help to stop this from happening on .45 Auto, MAY do the trick with the 10mm?

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: butchloc]
      #173241 - 17/12/10 01:49 AM

Quote:

you will have to be a bit careful colts delta elite made on a 1911 frame/slide had the habit of cracking the frames. the 10 was a bit much for them. S&W's 1006/1076 is similar but was made to handle the 10 and works wonderful.




This is a myth; cracking was due to a design defect of the early Colt Delta Elite frames, the solution to which was actually simply to mill out the part of the frame that would crack. The 1911 frame is plenty strong for 10mm. My Delta Elite is a pussycat. A 100lb girl can shoot it accurately (I've seen it with my own eyes).

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Re: 10mm Auto on a 1911 type frame? [Re: butchloc]
      #176173 - 25/02/11 02:36 AM

Quote:

colts delta elite made on a 1911 frame/slide had the habit of cracking the frames.




While I like the various double action S&W 10mm pistols (they made a bunch of them: 1006, 1066, 1076, 1026, 1046, 1086) the above statement is urban legend. Almost immediately after debuting the DE Colt figured out that the slide stop hole was vulnerable to cracking. So they turned the hole into a U-shaped groove and got rid of the area that would be stressed. End of problem.

Here's some comments from a guy who has run 4,500+ rounds through his DE:
http://www.bren-ten.com/agtman/id10.html


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