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bonanza
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.375 poll
      #160299 - 12/05/10 04:52 AM

Which would you rather take to Afrika
You may choose only one
.376 Steyr Dakota
.375 H&H R700


Votes accepted from (12/05/10 04:49 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: .375 poll [Re: bonanza]
      #160300 - 12/05/10 04:54 AM

Neither but a .375 H&H rgds, Mike

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Re: .375 poll [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #160301 - 12/05/10 04:58 AM

sorry, I meant in another rifle, I presume an R700 is a Remington, I'd prefer a Ruger single shot or any British single shot in .375 H&H,rgds, Mike

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Re: .375 poll [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #160306 - 12/05/10 07:13 AM

.375 H&H, but either my SSB Magnum Mauser or my Krieghoff Teck DR. No Remingtons, thank you.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: xausa]
      #160307 - 12/05/10 07:33 AM

Neither, but a Magnum Mauser or ZKK 602 in .375 H&H

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Re: .375 poll [Re: kuduae]
      #160308 - 12/05/10 08:18 AM

375H&H in something other than a Remington.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: EricD]
      #160309 - 12/05/10 08:23 AM

Quote:

375H&H in something other than a Remington.




The Kimber .375 is pretty nice but not too costly.



But if it had to be a push feed .375, perhaps I could live with the Steyr or the Mauser 03.





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Re: .375 poll [Re: kuduae]
      #160313 - 12/05/10 09:14 AM

Whats up with the negativity on Remingtons? They used to have the fastest lock time of any production rifle and were the gun to get for long range silhouette.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: gatsby]
      #160314 - 12/05/10 09:21 AM

The extractor of a Remington 700 is prone to give way at the most inopportune moment.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: bonanza]
      #160319 - 12/05/10 10:58 AM

I had to vote for the Steyr/Dakota. I could sort of make it work now by taking my Dakota in 375 H&H and my Steyr in 376 as a backup. That way I satisfy the vote but with two guns.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #160321 - 12/05/10 11:48 AM

CFR .376 Steyr or push feed .375 H&H. If neither then explain why. Not because you have a Ruger or whatever.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: bonanza]
      #160325 - 12/05/10 01:43 PM

Rem 700:

bolt handle falls off
safety does not lock bolt down
extractor is crap and breaks

376:

An oddball cartridge that is already essentially defunct.

Dakota:

Spotty QC, way overpriced, poor resale value.

Therefore I would not choose either of the rifles listed in your poll.


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Re: .375 poll [Re: bonanza]
      #160326 - 12/05/10 01:47 PM

.375H&H in maybe a classic 700. I too prefer my FN Mauser.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #160337 - 12/05/10 05:22 PM

I would have no problems with a Rem 700 on dangerous game. Yes I would probably put a Sako type extractor on it to grab more of the case. I have come across a few Mauser's and their clones that have minor and massive feeding and/or extraction problems and problems with bolts jamming while feeding and extracting. Sure they are not every day problems but nor are those that are experienced with Rem 700.

My 375H&H is a CZ550. each to his own


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Re: .375 poll [Re: Rule303]
      #160338 - 12/05/10 05:45 PM

G'Day Fella's,

I just voted for the .375 H&H and the Rem 700.

FYI, I should be looking over an FN Browning Supreme in .375 H&H shortly, with the possibility of me purchasing it. That is if the condition is Very Good or better and the price is right?!

So there may be a Ruger M77 MkII (1st Gen), with an exquisite Turkish Circassian walnut stock on it, For Sale??? The reason I purchased it was to help out an old mate and also, that stick of wood!!!

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bonanza
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Re: .375 poll [Re: Homer]
      #160345 - 12/05/10 09:48 PM

Hmmm.

Thanks gents for the poll and candid comments. I have a fine LH 1981 Remington BDL .375 H&H, but found a .376 Steyr LH Dakota. I do find the .376 a bit troubling as to get 2500 fps with a 300 one pushes the pressure to 60k psi.

I'll hold off for now.

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szihn
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Re: .375 poll [Re: bonanza]
      #160354 - 13/05/10 01:43 AM

Mauser in 375 H&H.
A well done Enfield 1917, Winchester controlled feed m-70 or maybe even a Ruger Mk2 action would all be ok too.
All would be gunsmithed the right way, for 100% reliability.

Remington makes a good varmint and target action, but I have replaced WAY too many bolt handles and extractors on them to trust them with my life. I have been doing gunsmithing now for 39 years, so I know something about this.

When I was in the USMC we had some problems with our 700s Which were called the M-40 ( and as you can see by looking it up) The Marine Corps does NOT use the M-700 as it come from Remington, but beefs everything up. it's not good enough by a long shot as Remington sells them.

The USMC doesn't NOT use the m-700 "because it's the best" but only because it was the only real choice they had in 1965 when Winchester dropped the old M-70 from production leaving the USMC with a situation it had to address within a very short time. Viet Nam would not wait.

Now the M-700 is entrenched in the supply system, so it's not a simple matter of changing to something better. When the military changes a rifle, the rifles are the easiest part of the change. It's the supply and maintenance part of the equation that is the big burden to bear.

So the idea that "because the Army of USMC uses it it's the best is simply not true.

If it were true, the Spec/Ops units of the Marines, Navy and Army would not be trying to improve on what is the standard issue. The M-16 A2 (or A-1 for that matter) and the Beretta M-9 would just be used and trusted 100%.
But they are not.

Sure, they work, but they are NOT "the best"
Neither is the M-700.


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Re: .375 poll [Re: szihn]
      #160355 - 13/05/10 02:08 AM

So if you were going to build a custom gun and a very quick lock time was an essential part of the equation, what action would you use?

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Re: .375 poll [Re: bonanza]
      #160356 - 13/05/10 02:20 AM

Quote:

Hmmm.

Thanks gents for the poll and candid comments. I have a fine LH 1981 Remington BDL .375 H&H, but found a .376 Steyr LH Dakota. I do find the .376 a bit troubling as to get 2500 fps with a 300 one pushes the pressure to 60k psi.

I'll hold off for now.




The .376 is in the same pressure class as the WSMs as you note. I have both a Scout and Pro Hunter in this caliber and both seem to generate better velocities (i.e. they seem to have fast barrels) than the load data in the Hodgdon manual suggests they should. With the Hornady 225gr bullets and two grains off max with Varget I get the same velocities as as they list for the max load and this is out of a 20" barrel. I think its a good cartidge but I think they made a mistake in naming it; they should have called it a .375, which it is.

I don't know what to tell you about the Dakota. In my experience, they are a good gun but there are periods where they seem to have had quality issues. Mine is a 1988 gun and is exceptionally well built; its very smooth in feeding and extraction, the trigger is excellent and it puts out 3-shot groups with all holes touching at 100 yards. I also got a very good deal on it which didn't hurt. If you are really interested in it, look it over in person before buying.


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Re: .375 poll [Re: bonanza]
      #160361 - 13/05/10 04:47 AM

Quote:

Hmmm.

Thanks gents for the poll and candid comments. I have a fine LH 1981 Remington BDL .375 H&H, but found a .376 Steyr LH Dakota. I do find the .376 a bit troubling as to get 2500 fps with a 300 one pushes the pressure to 60k psi.

I'll hold off for now.




Bonanza, I take it that your choices also have something to do with being a lefty?


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szihn
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Re: .375 poll [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #160362 - 13/05/10 05:03 AM

Well Gatsby, the only custom rifle I can think of that would require a "very quick lock time" would be a target rifle. In that case I would opt for the Remington or perhaps one of the more specialized target actions available.

However in every other case including a Snipers Rifle, I'd put reliability over lock time in importance. I have been a sniper long ago, and I understand the job of a sniper very very well. A super accurate rifle is important, but to state things in a factual way, I would take an MOA rifle that was 100% reliable over an 1/4 MOA rifle that may fail. You see, I am a good shot and i have known a lot of good shots in my life, but under field conditions, especially when you are not in a built up acre with all the support you need, you cannot take as much time to set up every shot as you would like. In the "Sandbox" today, out troops hold the upper hand and snipers work more like Police counter snipers then they did in the Viet Nam war.
In general, sniping is not done in a static way, but in a moving battlefield, and i expect we'll see more of that kind of shooting in the near future. In those kinds of fights, the sniper is going to have to use human skill and adaptability more then static preparations.
With all this said, I will state my case this way
A general purpose sniper rifle is going to be a VERY rugged and reliable HUNTING rifle, and not a special target rifle.
True there is always going to be a call for a shot now and then where a special rifle is going to be just what's needed, but out of every 100 rounds fired in combat, I would say at least 95 of them would not fall into that category.
The "best Snipers rifle" to my way of thinking is NOT what most other men (including some other military men) would envision.
If I were to describe the ideal rifle for sniping for most applications it would be made on a controlled feed action with a one piece bolt, with a detachable box magazine. It would not be in a super magnum caliber, but probably in a "non military caliber" like a 270 Winchester or 280 Remington. I would not want it to be any heavier then 14 pounds with its scope, and it would have a integral suppressor.
In effect, it would be very similar to what i would hunt planes game in the western USA with, including the suppressor if it were legal to use them.
For such a rifle I would still choose a Mauser to build on. I have fired more sub-MOA groups with my custom Mausers than I can count, and in my younger days I could get close to an MOA without a bench rest. Just resting over a pack or in a good prone.
So I have never seen the real world value in "speed locks" on anything but bench guns.
Again I say, I might use a "Mauser clone" too, like a new Ruger, Winchester, CZ or something like that....

That would go for any dangerous game rifle, as well as a Snipers Rifle. Heck, I feel the same way for any big game rifle, just because I can't see why I would take anything less, and pay more for it.

For target and varmint rifles, I would not care as much.
But that's just me------
"Your milage may vary".

It would be great if I had the money to design and make my own actions from scratch, but I don't.
"Non-controlled feed" extractors can be quite reliable too, but so far, we don't see them make on bolt actions like we see put on M-1 Garands, M-14s, FN-FALs and so on. Even if we did, I can't see that any of those extractors are any BETTER then a 98-Mauser type extractor. Some may be as reliable, but I doubt you could get MORE reliable then the Mauser system.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: szihn]
      #160368 - 13/05/10 05:45 AM

I would think a fast lock time would be an advantage anytime you shoot longrange without a real solid rest and make less of a difference at the bench or in short distances. I just remember Remington was considerably faster than a Winchester. I was just wondering what actions were being used now for long range shooting if the Remington had real problems with the extractor mechanism. In googling, looking for the Remington problem there seems to be some controversy whether there is an extractor problem or not. I do see some smiths offering to convert Remingtons to Sako extractors. It is just something I was never aware of.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: EricD]
      #160371 - 13/05/10 06:52 AM

This has everything to do with being a lefty. Dakota is about the only left hand CFR rifle made.

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Re: .375 poll [Re: bonanza]
      #160372 - 13/05/10 07:11 AM

Bonanza, I was told that CZ was making one.
Anyone know if it's true?


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Re: .375 poll [Re: szihn]
      #160373 - 13/05/10 07:27 AM

The M70 Classic comes in LH and is CRF.

The Rem 700 has never been CRF.

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