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beleg2
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German Date code
#160161 - 09/05/10 02:12 AM

Hi,
German Proof Houses use a "Number Date Code" and then change to a "Letter Date code".
Do you know when they change the Date Code System?
Thanks
Martin

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Re: German Date code [Re: beleg2]
#160165 - 09/05/10 05:51 AM

Proof rules of 1968, but there was no complete changeover. The "Jahreszeichen"=year date has to be applied with the proof marks (eagle/N fi)and the proofhouse stamp. "The Jahreszeichen consists of the last two digits of the year, to which the digits of the month may be added. On applicaton by the maker the digits 0 to 9 may be substituted by the letters A to K."
Obviously this is to camouflage the fact that a "new" gun may be standing on a dealer's shelf for quite some time.

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Edited by kuduae (09/05/10 05:52 AM)

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beleg2
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Re: German Date code [Re: kuduae]
#160173 - 09/05/10 10:21 AM

Thank you very much!!!!

Martin

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Kiwi_bloke
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Re: German Date code [Re: beleg2]
#160954 - 24/05/10 08:05 PM

The letters stand for numbers, but are not always consistent between makers.

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kuduae
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Re: German Date code [Re: Kiwi_bloke]
#160959 - 24/05/10 09:39 PM

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The letters stand for numbers, but are not always consistent between makers.

No, kiwibloke! As they are part of the proofmarks, their use is prescribed by law, as noted above:
A=0, B=1, C=2, D=3, E=4, F=5, G=6, H=7, I=8, K=9. J is not used. So "BA" instead of "10" stands for 2010, "BAF" for "105" for May 2010.Of course, as stated above, not all manufacturers have the proof dates obscured by the letter code.

Edited by kuduae (24/05/10 11:24 PM)

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Re: German Date code [Re: kuduae]
#161311 - 02/06/10 06:21 PM

My Sauer Model 90 in .375 H&H is marked "JK" which the factory tell me means 1989. That would seem to violate the "J" rule.

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kuduae
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Re: German Date code [Re: Kiwi_bloke]
#161323 - 02/06/10 08:46 PM

I and J are often mixed up in Germany, so only one of these is used for the number 8! Otherwise the letter code for 1989 would be IJ, easily confused with either 1988 or 1999, if not perfectly struck. Remember the confusion in the 8x57I or 8x57J? Actually it is an I. So either I or J both stand for an 8.

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Re: German Date code [Re: kuduae]
#161326 - 02/06/10 09:32 PM

Interesting stuff, kuduae.
We often see 'I' left out of IDs, series etc here because people fear it might be confused with '1'.

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Re: German Date code [Re: Paul]
#162184 - 16/06/10 09:17 PM

It seems that with German date codes used after 1968, either I or J were interchangible. I guess JP Sauer chose to use J.

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