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VAnimrod
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Faux Lee-Speed
      #159850 - 03/05/10 12:09 AM

Well, this one was a fluke acquisition on trade almost two years ago, but for $100 into it, it was hard to go wrong.

That said, the more I handle it, the more I find I'm liking it.

Seriously re-worked/sporterized, but VERY well done ......

Proof marks on the wrist band read:
(Crown proof)
L.S.A.Co.L
1906
S[size:8pt]HT[/size].L.E.
1*

Original forearm reworked, but with a very nice piece of walnut for the buttstock.

Action smooth, and clean. Barrel not shot out, leade excellent, lands and grooves sharp and distinct with no pitting or corrosion....... but easily the DIRTIEST, NASTIEST bore I've ever tried to clean. After 8 total hours of scrubbing out stuff that you could plant potatoes in (the only thing I can figure, given the color, was the old wax/Lubaloy bullets and some old lubed lead bullet residue), I said enough, and it's reasonably clean..... I'll see how she shoots and try more cleaning later. If, I can ever find the proper rear sight.

Here's are the pics (apologies in advance for being a rather poor photographer):
























The full set of markings as found on this one are as follows:

Wrist band reads:
(Crown proof)
E.R.
L.S.A.Co.L.
1906
SHT.L.E.
1*

The right rear of the bolt, on the cocking piece, reads:
(Broad Arrow proof)
(Crown proof)
98
B (Birmingham Small Arms "B")

Back side of the bolt handle is marked "Y" over 5737.

The safety is emblazoned "III"

The left of the receiver, right in front of the gas port, is marked:
(Crown proof)
E.R.
(Crossed flags)
P

To the left of that mark is:
(Crown proof)
X (L.S.A. proof)
67

Those same proofs are continued on the barrel, left side, just ahead of the receiver as:
(Crown Proof)
E.R.
(Crossed Flags)
P

(crown proof)
X
67
(Broad Arrow proof)

Just to the right of those proofs is:
(Crown Proof)
50
E
with a large "P" to the right of those marks.

Very light, and slight to the right of those proofs, near the flat on the chamber end of the barrel is:
(Crown proof)
VB
E

The right side of the barrel is marked near the flat at the chamber with two sets of proofs, the first (faint) reads:
(Crown proof)
C (may have been overstruck over an E or a K)
E

Below that proof, and right up to the receiver, are:
(Crown proof)
X
46

The SN is the same, and struck the same, on both the receiver and the barrel, right side, just above the stock line:
60526
K

The underside of the barrel, has a LOT of proofs. They read (left to right):
(Crown proof)
X
89

then,
(Crown proof)
X
89

then,
(Crown proof)
X
17

then,
(Crown proof)
39
E

then,
(Crown proof)
X
38

then,
double struck (Crown proof)
double struck X
double struck 61

then,
(Crown proof)
X
17

The rear barrel sight was removed, but just below where that sight would have been is the "HV" proof stamp.

The trigger guard is stamped on the bottom, center, with:
(Crown proof)
34
K (or X, very faint)

Right side of the trigger guard is stamped with an inverted "M", and a sideways "Z".

Trigger is broad arrow proofed on the left, and "35" on the right.

The charger on the bolt is stuck on the underside with crossed flags, and an illegible proof (looks like a bursting bomb), and topside with (Crown proof), over X, over 39.

The magazine release is marked with a broad arrow to the left, (Crown proof) over H2 over E on the right.

Sear is marked Broad arrow near the trigger connection (lower leg), upper leg is marked (Crown proof) over D8 (I think) over E.

Edited by CptCurl (31/07/10 01:42 AM)


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VAnimrod
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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: VAnimrod]
      #159851 - 03/05/10 12:10 AM

The above post was all the good news.

Here's the bad news..........

Brass pics. I remembered I had these, and no, it is not pretty.

The one on either end is unfired. The five in the middle are various makes (one PRVI, one Fed., one R-P, one W-W, and one S&B).

You oughta be able to see the problems, though that band at the base is mostly separated on all but the PRVI. Check the shoulder and neck, esp., as those are apparent in the pics.





Edited by CptCurl (31/07/10 01:43 AM)


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VAnimrod
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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: VAnimrod]
      #159852 - 03/05/10 12:11 AM

The other bad news....

I can't figure out what receiver sight fits the alterations in the rear of the receiver.

Anyone be able to help ID what receiver sight would fit this?





Here are the measurements as I have them:

Has two horizontal holes D&T'd for a receiver sight; hole measurements are 0.60" outside to outside; 0.345" inside to inside; about .470-ish" center to center. Overall width of the receiver sight "base" is 0.840".

Edited by CptCurl (31/07/10 01:43 AM)


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500Nitro
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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: VAnimrod]
      #159854 - 03/05/10 12:33 AM



If you want to clean the bore, get some steel jacketed solids and fire them off.

I purchased a Veguiro (sp?) for someone and the bore was filthy. He cleaned it normally and then when I saw it next,
I was amazed.

He said he had fired 8 or so solids through it and that had cleaned out all the crap.


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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: 500Nitro]
      #159855 - 03/05/10 01:00 AM

the barrel must set back for 2-3 mm and the chamber reamer have to come in work again

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VAnimrod
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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: 500Nitro]
      #159858 - 03/05/10 01:31 AM

Quote:



If you want to clean the bore, get some steel jacketed solids and fire them off.

I purchased a Veguiro (sp?) for someone and the bore was filthy. He cleaned it normally and then when I saw it next,
I was amazed.

He said he had fired 8 or so solids through it and that had cleaned out all the crap.




Great suggestion. I'll try to do exactly that.


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VAnimrod
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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: lancaster]
      #159859 - 03/05/10 01:32 AM

Quote:

the barrel must set back for 2-3 mm and the chamber reamer have to come in work again




My thoughts, exactly.

Getting a Lee-Enfield barrel off, however, is the tricky part.

Well, that, and finding the right receiver sight for this old girl.


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darwinmauser
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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: VAnimrod]
      #159875 - 03/05/10 09:10 AM

Quote:

Quote:

the barrel must set back for 2-3 mm and the chamber reamer have to come in work again




My thoughts, exactly.

Getting a Lee-Enfield barrel off, however, is the tricky part.

Well, that, and finding the right receiver sight for this old girl.





There's nothing tricky about dismounting a Lee Enfield barrel, it's pretty straight forward. However, to rechamber the barrel you will have to take 1 complete turn of thread off the end of the barrel and a corresponding amount off the shoulder to allow the Nocks form to be where it should be. All in all a nice looking rifle and quite worthy of a bit of effort to bring her up to what you want her to be. Sorry I can't help with the rear sight, I've not ever seen one that mounts on the left side of the action.

cheers
P


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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: darwinmauser]
      #159876 - 03/05/10 09:21 AM



A bit more on the old girl , IF you can find a long bolt head you may be able to avoid rechambering ,They were made to a fairly wide tolerance and any MK1 /number 1 mk3 bolt head will fit ,also your bolt head which is for a CCLE is worth quite a lot of money on evil bay as they are quite scarce, so you will probably come out with money in your pocket. You would need to measure your bolt head from the shoulder to the face and work from there . If I get time today I'll have a look in my reference books for the specification.


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VAnimrod
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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: darwinmauser]
      #159880 - 03/05/10 09:50 AM

I won't Fleabay this girl out. I'd rather reset and rechamber the barrel, to keep her original, though I certainly appreciate the head's up.

Also, you're the only person I've ever met that said there was no problem in taking off and setting back an Enfield barrel. Most think they were put on by 800 lb gorillas. Any pointers?


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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: VAnimrod]
      #159882 - 03/05/10 10:11 AM

I think the bursting bomb mark denotes the army corps it was issued to, either engineers or artillery. One has more flames that the other but I don't reminder which had what.

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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: VAnimrod]
      #159883 - 03/05/10 11:13 AM

Quote:

I won't Fleabay this girl out. I'd rather reset and rechamber the barrel, to keep her original, though I certainly appreciate the head's up.

Also, you're the only person I've ever met that said there was no problem in taking off and setting back an Enfield barrel. Most think they were put on by 800 lb gorillas. Any pointers?





The Enfield barrels you're thinking of are the P14 and M17 Enfield barrels,they are very tight. I have dismounted about 5 or 6 Lee Enfield barrels and none of them were particularly difficult,the biggest problem is finding a suitable action wrench.

Edited by darwinmauser (03/05/10 12:56 PM)


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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: darwinmauser]
      #159906 - 03/05/10 08:19 PM

I had have this problem with a mosin barrel.
look for one of the real big lathe and fix the barrel in the three-jaw chuck.

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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: lancaster]
      #161276 - 01/06/10 05:52 PM

Look on gunbroker, firearms parts barrels. Currently TG international is selling utg 7.62x54R chambered machinegun barrels. I won one and it cost $87 plus about 20 or so for postage. If you cut off the roughly 2" for the origional chamber will still give you about 22" of brand new barrel to play with. Only one downside, this thing is massive which translates into a lot of lathe time getting her on a weight reduction program. Must weigh about 15 lbs. One section is about 1.5" in diameter. These are brand new bbls set up for installation on the moisin nagant rifles. Just a suggestion. Frank

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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: FrankS]
      #162024 - 13/06/10 03:38 PM

Lancaster, I cut the moisin bbl down so it would fit into the headstock of my lathe. Used a parting tool to cut a groove all the way around about an eighth of an inch deep. I have a steel block with holes drilled for 1/4x20 capscrews. A few washers and set the block in my vise. Bbl stub came out with a pipe wrench. No damage to the receiver at all. Frank

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Con
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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: FrankS]
      #162038 - 13/06/10 07:44 PM

VAnimrod,
With your cases, why don't you knock them up to 8mm ... then through the FL 303die backed off to create a false shoulder?
Cheers...
Con


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Re: Faux Lee-Speed [Re: VAnimrod]
      #164011 - 14/07/10 03:34 AM

I recall seeing another rifle with a similar cut out on that same side. If I recall correctly, it was fitted with a Lyman sight. Most of the British target sights fit to the left side of the action.

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