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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 9dot3x74R]
#158803 - 12/04/10 05:54 PM

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I just had an interesting telephone conversation with a lady from the Firearms division of Tasmania Police.

I'm wanting to import a few empty brass cases from Jamisons and I was looking for a B709A, I sent in the application and after a followup phone call all was ok. But then..... they decided not to allow it because "legislation is on the way in", and "the ballistics person looked at the cartridge and decided to reject it because it could be used on Elephants".

I kid you not.

Anyway, I am now awaiting a telephone call from a superior so I can find out what the f**k is going on.

How large are the tusks on your elephants in tasmania? Cant remeber seeing one.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158804 - 12/04/10 06:23 PM

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I dont understand. Do you have to apply to import ammo/cases in Tasmania ? I'm in Victoria and I just get it shipped over - No applications or permits at all

Yes you do, any reloading components are prohibited imports in to Australia without a permit. This also applies to Victoria and all the other states. Most people seem to get away with it because the incoming parcels are accidentally labeled "extruded brass" or some such thing.

My 450 NE #2 cartridge cases from Jamisons were labelled correctly and got stopped by customs in Melbourne.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158805 - 12/04/10 06:34 PM

Hi 9dot3x74R,

I agree with Empire375 that's what I have done before, no paperwork. Are you after some-thing "Special" brass wise?? as I will phone around for you if you tell me what you want.. Just remember that Tasmania is a part of Australia (God forbid, just joking) so I can send them to you by normal post as long as they are just cases.

Cheers for now,

Jeff Gray

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 9dot3x74R]
#158806 - 12/04/10 06:42 PM

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I just had an interesting telephone conversation with a lady from the Firearms division of Tasmania Police.

I'm wanting to import a few empty brass cases from Jamisons and I was looking for a B709A, I sent in the application and after a followup phone call all was ok. But then..... they decided not to allow it because "legislation is on the way in", and "the ballistics person looked at the cartridge and decided to reject it because it could be used on Elephants".

I kid you not.

Anyway, I am now awaiting a telephone call from a superior so I can find out what the f**k is going on.

Bloody hell. If what you say is right, that is ridiculous ie imposing laws not even enacted yet!

What brass are you looking for?

If you are having this problem in Tassie, I'm sure it can be brought in through another state, and in any case that treatment needs "testing" elsewhere as well.

Also most "elephant" cartridges are well and truly suitable for water buffalo.

But the "lady" from Tassie Police has highlighted there IS new laws on the way in Tasmania.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 9dot3x74R]
#158807 - 12/04/10 06:43 PM

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My 450 NE #2 cartridge cases from Jamisons were labelled correctly and got stopped by customs in Melbourne.

I see, I have a .450 No. 2 so ..... will send a PM.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: NitroX]
#158810 - 12/04/10 07:34 PM

I must have been lucky ! I've brought over PLENTY of ammo components in the last 6 months. I have not attempted to bring in loaded ammo but I always label my parcels spot on for what they actually contain ie

550 x .338 Lapua Magnum cartridge cases for centre fire rifle

and have had enquiries from customs in the past but only to do with duty to be paid on larger orders.

Also I am led to believe that components were ok but ready to fire ammo was not which I can understand. I can buy powder or projectiles without a licence in Victoria but I must produce my shooters licence to buy loaded ammo.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158811 - 12/04/10 07:49 PM

Hi Empire375,

I am not a Victorian but any Dangerous Goods in NSW, ammunition, powder or primers can not be posted and as I understand it, and a licence is required to purchase them but as each state varies that's not a 100% guarantee.

As for Duty, you are allowed to Import up to A$1,000 of goods for private purchase and use and that dollar value includes shipping. I have bought in gun cases from Italy and scopes from the USA and other bits with no problem but as you said, a clear description is the safe way to travel. When I purchased these cases from Italy I asked them to spread the overall costs in the shipments this way all receipts were under the A$1,000 at any one time.

Cheers,

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#158812 - 12/04/10 07:55 PM

Well I have not imported brass so no idea if a B709A is needed.

Came in once from Africa via Perth without the ammo on the B709A and had them confiscate all the loaded ammo, but they let me keep the used brass. The loaded ammo was sent to Adelaide and I got it back once I applied for a permit for it.

In SA a licence is required to buy across the counter loaded ammo, primers and powder I believe.

Brass and bullets, nothing is required.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#158813 - 12/04/10 07:57 PM

Hi Jeff

I have only ever brought over cases and projectiles. Never primers or powder. I buy Lapua powder from up your way and it has to come down on dangerous goods transports. Primers - I buy em were I am when I need em.
I do the same with the shipping in terms of breaking the deliveries up though some times the additional shipping costs outweigh the duty savings.
I figure if I'm going to waste money it might as well go to Mr FEDEX as Mr Rudd though !
I reckon the sheila in Tassie was having a rough day in her cubicle. I've no doubt the cases will come through in due course.
If rogue elephants start trouble in Tassie then at least one guy will be ready for em.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158814 - 12/04/10 08:41 PM

I'm in Qld. Back in 2004 I bought some Bell NE cases from USA and had them air freighted over.
Customs nabbed them when they arrived, because I didn't have a permit. I didn't know that I needed one!
Fortunately they allowed me to organise a permit and I ended up getting the brass. For a while there I thought I was going to lose it.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 4seventy]
#158823 - 12/04/10 10:24 PM

Hi to All the forum members,

I have just sent this Email to Mr Robert Brown MP.

Good Morning Mr Brown,

Would you please have a look at the following link, it is a shooting forum, nitroexpress.com as many hunters and shooters from various states are starting to have trouble in obtaining ammunition, cartridge cases etc let alone rifles in the larger calibres.

It seems that there is a push to ban larger calibres for various un-known reasons and the by product is people who own old and vintage double rifles etc will get caught up in this finding..

The link is as follows:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post154009

As none of these problems has been mentioned in the media or the Sporting Shooters Association I felt it necessary to inform you of this action so that it may be squashed before it becomes law.

Respectfully Yours,

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: NitroX]
#158857 - 13/04/10 10:10 AM

Just a follow up after another telephone conversation with Tas Police......

The "problem" is as a result of the recent conference on firearms licensing or something like that, in SA.

No legislation is in place or before parliament, but it seems like it's about to happen.... once we have a government again in Tasmania (not yet sorted out).

She suggested that .458 and above is "the issue".

The boss won't even talk to me, until they have something concrete to say.... so it looks like I may lose my shipment. Bummer. These things aren't cheap. She acknowledged that I had verbal approval several weeks ago, so they are going to "see what they can do". I did point out that I could buy this stuff over the counter in Oz anyway... without the need for any permission or even a licence, and that I would be doing that.

Nothing else to report.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 9dot3x74R]
#158858 - 13/04/10 11:17 AM

If they give you a problem and so that you won't loose your shipment, get it sent to a dealer, namely Alex as you will be seeing him.

Cheers,

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#158877 - 13/04/10 04:10 PM

Hi to all the Forum Members,

This is the reply from Robert Brown MP.

Hi Jeff,'yes, we were aware of this growing problem. My colleague Roy Smith is handling
firearms issues, so I'll pass on your info to him.
Please be assured that we will do all that we can to stop this dangerous "Calibre Creep".
Regards,
Rober

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#158880 - 13/04/10 05:40 PM

I have some good news regarding this matter and I'm waiting on permission to quote the fella who gave me the low down. Things may not be as bad as feared.
I'm assuming he is out of his office so hopefully he will email me permission tomorrow.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158881 - 13/04/10 05:42 PM

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I have some good news regarding this matter and I'm waiting on permission to quote the fella who gave me the low down. Things may not be as bad as feared.
I'm assuming he is out of his office so hopefully he will email me permission tomorrow.

A whole raft of new rules etc are supposed to be released / effective 1st July so I wouldn't count your chickens yet.

A lot of Politics / lobBying being done ATM.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 500Nitro]
#158882 - 13/04/10 05:46 PM

here goes ............

Hi Bob, thanks for the email, the only matter I understand which holds
ground is the .50 cal.

I believe it started in SA at COAG in relation to .50 cal only, making
them a restricted calibre, being you had to be a SSAA Member, a Sub
Branch member of the military rifle club, and have access to a suitable
range.

I heard they were considering .338 lapua mag but nothing has eventuated.

As far as the rest is concerned just rumour started somewhere, rememeber
the chinese whisper ....

Regards

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Hi Bob,

you can quote me as a "Regional Firearms Officer"

I read the entire posts and saw the positive reply given re .50
cal which was my understanding, you can quote me on that which
is policy.

In terms of the .338 Lapua being considered, that was a "rumor"
only however one would imagine the same policy would apply, a
lot of items are discussion points only and never get up.

In relation to other calibres, situation normal.

Warren

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158883 - 13/04/10 06:04 PM

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I heard they were considering .338 lapua mag but nothing has eventuated.

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In terms of the .338 Lapua being considered, that was a "rumor"

That's interesting, as in the link that NitroX posted in this thread, SA Police say that one 338 Lapua Magnum has already been "seized".

http://nitroexpress.info/ubbthreads/photos_info/201003/sapollargecalfaletter.pdf

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158884 - 13/04/10 06:05 PM

Hi Empire375,

If Warren Jackman says it's so then it is so... at least in Victoria but just like our uniform firearms licencing we will have to wait and see about the other states.

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#158885 - 13/04/10 06:07 PM

Well they are gunning for 408's and 416's as well so don't think it's limited to 50 cals and 338's.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 500Nitro]
#158886 - 13/04/10 06:26 PM

I think in reality they are gunning for every rifle period. However in Victoria I thinks its going to be OK and as we all realise the concept has little merit.
I know personally that in Victoria permits to acquire are still being granted for .338 Lapua magnums. At least they were last week.
Whilst I understand that I am politically naive I just cannot see for the life of me this idea getting of the ground. It just makes no sense. Before anybody says "it dosn't need to make sense" I understand that, BUT wouldn't COAG have bigger and more beneficial things to discuss/do ?

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158893 - 13/04/10 09:24 PM

12 months ago I had to get a b709 to import a stock checkering kit,2 front sights and some fibre optic inserts.
Customs would not release them and the WA Police said it was bullshit on customs part.
Police gave me a B709.

A couple of years ago customs seized a book titled :-Military and police sniper because on page 98 and 99 it had pictures of where to shoot a villan in the head.
The book was seized permanantly.
Another was ordered and came through the system without problems.
This book is also available for sale in Australia.

Go figure !!!!!!!!

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Empire375]
#158900 - 13/04/10 11:54 PM

Quote:

here goes ............

Hi Bob, thanks for the email, the only matter I understand which holds
ground is the .50 cal.

I believe it started in SA at COAG in relation to .50 cal only, making
them a restricted calibre, being you had to be a SSAA Member, a Sub
Branch member of the military rifle club, and have access to a suitable
range.

I heard they were considering .338 lapua mag but nothing has eventuated.

As far as the rest is concerned just rumour started somewhere, rememeber
the chinese whisper ....

Regards

Warren

Hi Bob,

you can quote me as a "Regional Firearms Officer"

I read the entire posts and saw the positive reply given re .50
cal which was my understanding, you can quote me on that which
is policy.

In terms of the .338 Lapua being considered, that was a "rumor"
only however one would imagine the same policy would apply, a
lot of items are discussion points only and never get up.

In relation to other calibres, situation normal.

Warren

This may be true in VICTORIA but in SA there is a list published by SAPOL of the calibres that will be banned... there is no denying that is what they are gunning for as we have it in writing from them... Remember each state has different laws!!

I thought 50BMG was already off the list in Vic?? or do they want for 50NE and similar cartridges as well???

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: Matt_Graham]
#158907 - 14/04/10 03:31 AM

Yes, I think 50BMG is already off the list in Vic.

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Re: Banning risk to large calibre rifles in Aust [Re: 500Nitro]
#158908 - 14/04/10 03:41 AM

I just came across this post and I must say you blokes are being OPPRESSED. In the USA, we do cherish and protect our freedoms. Can you not overturn laws that are stupid? I saw where people in your government are enforcing laws that have not been passed yet. Do you have recourse through the legal system or can you contact your local or regional representatives and have them advocate on your behalf. If they refuse, vote the bastards out.

My bottom line is this: Do not give away your rights nor let them be taken away from you. If you don't, next week they will be outlawing fishing hooks.

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