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Nick_Adams
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The ol' 300 H&H
#15597 - 07/06/04 10:16 AM

In other threads here, several posters have mentioned owning a rifle chambered in 300 H&H.

I'm still developing loads for mine. Lately I've been the shooting 180gn Nosler bullets and have discovered a couple of loads that shoot these bullets particularly tight (.75" @ 100yds).

I'm interested in learning what handloads people favor who've shot the 200gn & 220gn bullets in their 300 H&H. I have some Hornady and Barnes in the 220s, and Sierras and Noslers in the 200s.

Thanks for any suggestions!

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Nick_Adams]
#15599 - 07/06/04 04:10 PM

Nick

I have used 180 gr Noslers in my ..30-06. While not a .300 H&H, the H&H is only the next step up.

I found 200 gr Nosler Partitions more reliable by far but I suspect my 180 gr lot may have been a bad lot seeing as many people comment very favourably on the 180 gr Partitions.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: NitroX]
#15618 - 08/06/04 10:02 AM

personally I can't imagine using anything less than 200s in the 300H&H, with the BCs of modern bullets, the 200 has such great range... the 220s don't enjoy that same BC as a rule, and there does seem to be a measurable and non-linear drop at 220 from a velocity standpoint.

to me 300 mags should all use 200s and the 30-06 needs a 180... to really extract the maximum potential from them...

just my opinion though.

I should have our -06 back in my hands tomorrow or wednesday... I should have it at the range by thursday... and can start compiling data at that point.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Nick_Adams]
#15619 - 08/06/04 10:20 AM

I've worked up 1 200 grain load, using the Nosler Partition. It sits on IMR 4350. I caution on posting charge weights, but would recommend to start with the manual listing and work up.

With 180 grain loads, 4350 is still a good powder and the Partitions can be pushed close to 3000 fps with good accuracy. H4831 gives good performance also, probably a little more velocity. I'm still fine tuning my loads for sheep season (as soon as my rifle comes back). Will post more in the future.

I can send you an email with some stuff I compiled when I first got mine. I asked this same question on a couple of different forums and compiled the answers.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Nick_Adams]
#15673 - 10/06/04 07:50 AM

Love the 300 H&H. Used it last year in Namibia with 200 gr. Woodleigh PP's. Not too fond of that bullet, good BC but unreliable expansion. Went through a shoulder shot @ 200 yds on a gemsbok with no expansion whatsoever. Animal went down but not good for a soft point. Taylor says he likes a bullet that shows a "lot of blue" at the tip and I now have to agree with him. Used the 220 gr. monolithic solids from A-Square for the little stuff with no problems. 200gr's loaded to 2850 fps through a 26" pre-64 bbl with no pressure problems. Great caliber, as good as the 300 Win mag with better feeding and lower pressures.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: JoeR]
#15674 - 10/06/04 09:12 AM

In reply to:

Not too fond of that bullet, good BC but unreliable expansion. Went through a shoulder shot @ 200 yds on a gemsbok with no expansion whatsoever. Animal went down but not good for a soft point. Taylor says he likes a bullet that shows a "lot of blue" at the tip and I now have to agree with him.

Joe,
Interesting.

Couple of questions.

1..How did you determine that no expansion had taken place?

2..When you say "shoulder shot" do you mean that the bullet struck one or both shoulders and actually broke the bone/s of the shoulder joint/s or did the bullet pass through behind the shoulder joint/s?

Thanks

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: 4seventy]
#15676 - 10/06/04 10:04 AM

4seventy, on the gemsbok, the bullet went through a rib above the scapula, deflected off the underside of the vertebral column, (actually spined the animal) and exited the other flank again through a rib. Exit hole was miniscule with virtually no bruising to the underlying tissues. Another shot, 240 yds uphill to a full frontal Hartmann's stallion, animal took off and galloped straight uphill over a quarter mile appearing to be uninjured. Animal collapsed on all fours as though sitting down. When we dressed it, the bullet actually penetrated through and through the ventricles of the heart with very little damage. I'm going back to the Weldcores. Joe.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: 4seventy]
#15677 - 10/06/04 10:18 AM

Thanks for all the replies.

Yeah, the 200gn Nosler Partitions are on my "to load" list.

Dasmafia: That seems to be the consensus from what I've read about the 300 H&H (e.g., Gregor Woods). The 150gn-180gn bullets can basically be handled as well in modern loads by the 30.06. Where the 300 mag shines is in launching the 200/220gn slugs at greater velocities & distances.

DPhillips: I haven't tried IMR 4350. Actually, I was reviewing the load data for H-4831 and the Nosler 200gn Partition. I may take you up on the e-mail info, thanks.

JoeR: I've never shot Woodleigh bullets in .30 cal, but the experience you relate doesn't sound very inspiring. I have shot the .303 Woodleigh 215gn RN bullet in my Lee-Enfield and found it was pretty accurate for that type of bullet. (Still waiting for a chance to hunt with it).

A 200gn Partition @ 2850fps sounds about right. With the 220gn bullets, I'd like to develop a load in the 2680fps range.

My 300 H&H is a Ruger #1 with a 26" barrel, which is 2" longer than you usually see these days in 300 H&H. What's nice is that, being a single-shot, it's still more compact overall, and somewhat lighter, than a 300 mag bolt gun.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: JoeR]
#15680 - 10/06/04 11:24 AM

Joe,
Have you recovered any 200gn Woodleigh PP's from game you've killed?
I'd be interested to know what they looked like and what they weighed.
I haven't used the 200 grain 30 cal PP's but have done a fair amount of killing with PP's in .270 with 130 and 150gn and 7mm with 140, 160 and 175 grain.
All of those performed perfectly with very good mushrooming and also very high weight retention at a wide range of impact velocities.
I must say that I'm a bit dubious about evaluating bullet performance by looking at the exit.

I much rather wait untill some recoveries have been made before forming an opinion as to whether a bullet has performed well or not so well.

A projectile like the 30 cal 180gn nosler partition is a classic example on how exit holes can be misleading.
Put one of these through the ribs of a medium sized animal and you will often get a small exit hole giving the impression that the bullet has gone through with little or no expansion.
Actually with the 180 partition the opposite is usually true and the reason for the small exit is not under expansion.
The reason is that the front section of the partition has expanded fully and has broken up and all that is left to exit is the rear section which is usually not a great deal larger than caliber size.
In this case the bullet has expanded fully but the exit hole makes things appear as though it has not expanded at all.
I've seen the same thing happen with 30 cal Barnes X when they impact at magnum velocities and they sometimes lose the entire front expanded petal section and exit with a caliber size hole.

I had an experience with an ENTRY hole on a big Queensland boar a couple of years back which has made me just as sceptical regarding bullet entry holes as I am with bullet exit holes, but that is another story!

A bullet in the hand can tell a lot more than 2 dozen in the bush IMO.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Nick_Adams]
#15681 - 10/06/04 12:16 PM

In reply to:

The 150gn-180gn bullets can basically be handled as well in modern loads by the 30.06. Where the 300 mag shines is in launching the 200/220gn slugs at greater velocities & distances.

If I was using a .300 H&H on deer sized game and smaller (below Sambar or Elk size) I woul be choosing a 150 gr Nosler Partition. Just my opinion.

African PHs seem to prefer heavier bullets for some reason and so far I hve followed that advice when in Africa.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: NitroX]
#15711 - 11/06/04 10:23 AM

My old Remington 721 300 H&H loves 180 & 200 gr. Noslers. It also likes H4831 and IMR 4350 with CCI magnum primers.

I have gone to just using the 180's, since they fit my needs for a "far shooter" out here in the open country just a bit better.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: NitroX]
#15712 - 11/06/04 11:15 AM

4seventy, your points are well taken. I have no recovered bullets to compare and perhaps my opinions are anecdotal regarding the 200 gr. PP's. I am aware that the Mountain Zebra is among the toughest of African animals, but my experience with the 300 H&H using 180 gr. Nosler Partitions on game in the US including mule deer and elk suggests more damage and more instant kills with well placed shots than I found to be the case in Namibia. I am a big fan of Woodleigh's and prefer the 410 gr Weldcore in 416 above all other softs for that caliber, but I feel that, especially with my Hartmann's, a Nosler would have done a better job. The PP's do have a good BC, and are very accurate in my rifle and may well be an outstanding bullet, but I will not use them again. Joe.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: JoeR]
#15720 - 11/06/04 01:56 PM

Joe

On the other hand I have had exactly the same experience with 180 gr Nosler Partitions. Where the Partition acted exactly like a solid and zipped through with little damage (to be more exact the front half probably blew off with little damage, no mushrooming and the rear partition acting like a solid).

I was not impressed at all and neither was the PH, the trackers or anyone else. We had to cover many kilometres of tracking wounded game due to th 180 gr Nosler partition.

Changing to a 200 gr Partition the trackers thought I was using a different rifle.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Nick_Adams]
#18240 - 20/08/04 01:11 PM

Nick

I've had good luck with IMR 4831 pushing 220 gr partitions. Two good loads have been 60.5 and 61.2 gr.

With the 180 gr bullets Reloder 22 has been working well for me with loads around 67.5 gr.

Haven't tried the 'in-between' bullet weight of 200 gr yet but have some partitions on the shelf just waiting to be loaded. Would be interested to hear what loads others have been using in this bullet weight.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: SteveM]
#19150 - 12/09/04 10:32 AM

SteveM - thanks for the load suggestions!

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Nick_Adams]
#19376 - 23/09/04 08:14 AM

I have been shooting and hunting with the 300 H&H since the early 1950s...Still shoot the same load and that is a cup full of old surplus 4831 which I have a gob of, but you can't do that with todays 4831, so go with a max load of H4831 in your 300 H&H ...I shoot it with the 180ge. 200 gr. and 220 gr. Noslers...

For the last 30 years I have shot the 200 gr. Nosler almost exclusively with an ocassional go with the 220 gr. at 2700 FPS....Havn't used the 180s in number of years because the 200 are so much better..I regulated the 180s to my 06.....

I also like the Woodleigh 220 gr. bullets a lot..I have a client thats getting old and has some stiff joints so I load him up some Woodleigh solids and softs in 220 gr. weight and he has shot Lion, Cape Buffalo, Alaskan Bear and elephant with 100% success with his old Rem 721...

H 4831, IMR 4831 and 4350 are my powders of choice with a definate preference for 4831...

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: atkinson6]
#19413 - 24/09/04 09:04 AM

Thanks for the info, Ray!

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Dark_Helmet]
#22928 - 31/12/04 08:44 AM

In reply to:

personally I can't imagine using anything less than 200s in the 300H&H,

and further a partician such as Nosler's or Swifts or a bonded bullet is in order.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: vapodog]
#30162 - 28/04/05 10:16 AM

Thought I'd bump this old post back up for an FYI for the 300 H&H fans.

The May 2005 issue of Rifle magazine, here in the States, features an article by Brian Pearce on Holland's "Super 30." He took a pre-64 Model 70 in 300 H&H to Zimbabwe and describes the various game taken with it.

He also discusses the loads he used on this game, one of which was a 200gn AccuBond (a spitzer) over 66.0 grns of IMR-4350 (Fed brass/Fed 215 Lg Rifle Mag primer). Velocity was 2904fps, and at 100yds it put 3 shots into well under an inch.

These days you don't see very many pieces in the gun rags highlighting this venerable old cartridge, so this one was a pleasant suprise.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Dark_Helmet]
#30332 - 01/05/05 07:46 AM

dasMafia

"the 220s don't enjoy that same BC as a rule, and there does seem to be a measurable and
non-linear drop at 220 from a velocity standpoint."

The 220 gr bullets are not meant for long range shooting ala a Spitzer or Protected Point
- they are designed for heavier game closer in, that's why some have a Round Nose and therefore not a high BC.

JoeR

Therefore it was not a shoulder shot.

In regards to:-
"Another shot, 240 yds uphill to a full frontal Hartmann's stallion, animal took off and galloped straight
uphill over a quarter mile appearing to be uninjured. Animal collapsed on all fours as though sitting
down. When we dressed it, the bullet actually penetrated through and through the ventricles of the
heart with very little damage."
THE ABOVE IS A CLASSIC HEART SHOT, particulalry when the bullet hits when the heart is empty.
What did the bullet hit on the way in ?

Re "I'm going back to the Weldcores" The Woodleigh 200gr ARE Weldcores. In fact ALL Woodleighs
are Weldcores.

The 200gr Woodleigh PP's (and 180gn 300 Win Mag) ARE designed for the Higher Velocity 300 Mags
- the jackets have a tougher construction than the 150, 165 and 180gr 308 cal Woodleigh PP's.

You are starting out at 2850 fps or so which is not that fast for a 300H&H.
I would suggest you use the 180gr 308 cal Woodleigh PP's

Re "but my experience with the 300 H&H using 180 gr. Nosler Partitions on game in the US including
mule deer and elk suggests more damage and more instant kills with well placed shots than I found to be
the case in Namibia."

You are comparing a 180gn partition with a 200gr designed for higher vlocity. As suggested above, try the
180gns.

Shoot a lot more game and recover alot more projectiles before passing comment
on projectiles. IMHO, 2 Shots is not a comparison, especially when comparing 180 vs 200gns.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Nick_Adams]
#65836 - 14/11/06 05:32 AM

I load my 300 H&H with 200 gr Partitions with 65.5 gr of IMR 4350 for about 2870 fps...does a wonderful job on zebra and kudu..also shot my leopard with the 300 H&H but used 180 gr Noslers for that...great old cartridge....

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Tightloop]
#66162 - 02/12/06 06:47 AM

I see I posted on this thread almost two years ago....nothing has changed here.....I still like the 200 grain A-Frame in the old 300 H&H.....if one didn't want to use such a bullet he could have sufficed with a 30-06 nicely and that's not at all a bad decision!

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: vapodog]
#66186 - 02/12/06 10:49 AM

Vapodog,

Ever seen vap-o-man?

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Tightloop]
#66223 - 02/12/06 10:25 PM

I shoot a 300 ultramag with 200 gr Nosler partitions for elk.It is an extremely lethal combination and I rarely if ever recover a bullet.

I would think a 300 H&H shooting the 200 gr Noslers would be great and not be much different from my gun and more pleasant to shoot as well. It should feed as quick as lightning with its cartridge contour.

I would have no problems hunting with a 300 H&H if I didn't have my ulramag.

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Re: The ol' 300 H&H [Re: Tightloop]
#66375 - 05/12/06 01:09 PM

Thanks for the load info, Tightloop.

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