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ozhunter
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Re: Scope recommendation? [Re: calpappas]
#156143 - 11/03/10 06:49 PM

A simple but strong Schmidt & Bender 4x36 steel tube with No4 Reticle.

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Re: Scope recommendation? [Re: calpappas]
#156285 - 12/03/10 08:08 PM

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Paul:
2500$ for a mount and rings? Wow! I had JJ at Champlin do the same on my .450-400 Harrison and Hussey ejector double and it was 800$. JJ is a combination artist/gunsmith.

Thanks Cal,
I did think about getting something mounted here with German claw mounts but ones that fit seem a bit thin on the ground. The trouble and expense of sending it over to JJ and getting it back might be more than I can afford, too. Also, I spent the money on the safari - so maybe I'll just sell the rifle and get some peace and quiet at home.

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Re: Scope recommendation? [Re: Paul]
#156315 - 13/03/10 03:43 AM

I had JJ do this one for me,

DM

Edited by CptCurl (14/03/10 11:22 PM)

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carpediem4570
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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: calpappas]
#156324 - 13/03/10 05:45 AM

Greetings from Alberta, Canada:

I read your reply regarding the use of a handgun scope on a dr. I have an older Antonio Zoli side by side in 9.3x74 R that I am trying to work loads for. The iron sights on this gun are so low that I have to grind my cheek into the stock to see them. The resulting pain from pulling the trigger was too much to bear.

I had my gunsmith dovetail into the rib a set of Dave Talley bases. To this I attached the Dave Talley rings and mounted a Leupold intermediate eye relief, 2 power pistol scope, with the back of the scope being flush with the breach face.

There is no interference from the scope when dropping cartridges into the chamber.

HOWEVER, you must remember that pistol scopes are designed to be parallax free to approximately 50 metres.

I have removed this scope and placed a 3-9 Zeiss conquest in its place to work up a load for the rifle. I am trying to get a load to work out to 100 metres. The original target that came with the rifle has two bullets touching and this was done at 100 metres.

Once the proper load has been found for the rifle, I will be putting the 2-power intermediate eye relief scope back on.

I have some pictures of the rifle on this sight under this forum. If you check under my handle, carpediem4570, you should be able to pull up a pic of the rifle and pistol scope.

I hope this has been of some help.

Kindest regards,

Carpediem4570

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: carpediem4570]
#156344 - 13/03/10 07:22 AM

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I have some pictures of the rifle on this sight under this forum. If you check under my handle, carpediem4570, you should be able to pull up a pic of the rifle and pistol scope.

Is this it.......

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post131951

If it is, the photos have expired unfortunately. Do you have any others?

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: 9dot3x74R]
#156347 - 13/03/10 08:24 AM

Yup:

that was it.

I will take more pics and download.

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: carpediem4570]
#156355 - 13/03/10 01:33 PM

Hello again:

Here are photos of my Antonio Zoli 9.3x74R side by side dr with the leupold ier scope mounted in a forward position. the rear bell is in line with the breach face.

Kindest regards,

carpediem4570

Edited by CptCurl (14/03/10 11:25 PM)

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: carpediem4570]
#156364 - 13/03/10 04:24 PM

Very nice.

Is the 50m parallax really an issue do you think?

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: 9dot3x74R]
#156377 - 13/03/10 06:03 PM

As regards paralax, I haven't done enough shooting with the scope rifle combination to determine if it is an issue. My hope is to get a load developed for this rifle to shoot to 100m and if necessary, out to 200 m with an aimed and steady shot using the set trigger.

Once I develop the load, I should then be able to determine if paralax is an issue.

AS an aside, I talked with the Leupold representitive in our area and he assured me that the leupold 2.5 power scout scope would do everything the 2 power ier pistol scope would do, without the paralax issue. the eye relief on the scout scope is more than sufficient to mount the bell in line or forward of the breach face.

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: carpediem4570]
#156559 - 15/03/10 07:34 PM

That ring around the front bell looks good, DM. My only prob is that, like
Sunday, JJ is too far away.

Your set-up looks fast and sturdy, carpediem. The lack of QR levers should not be too much of a problem on a 9.3. Were parallax to raise its head, you could use a leather monte-carlo cheekpiece to raise yours, if it didn't affect regulation. I see Cabela's had some on sale last week.

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: Paul]
#156598 - 16/03/10 03:28 AM

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That ring around the front bell looks good, DM. My only prob is that, like
Sunday, JJ is too far away.

Your set-up looks fast and sturdy, carpediem. The lack of QR levers should not be too much of a problem on a 9.3. Were parallax to raise its head, you could use a leather monte-carlo cheekpiece to raise yours, if it didn't affect regulation. I see Cabela's had some on sale last week.

Cheers
- Paul

I would be absolutely amazed that there's no one in "your" part of the world that can't properly install a claw mount! I think they are well worth the time and trouble it takes to have one installed.

DM

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: DM]
#156603 - 16/03/10 04:09 AM

Hello Paul:

Interesting that you noticed it was not QD. I had purchased the QD mount from Talley but when I went to attach the scope to the gun, the levers would hit the barrels, not allowing me to tighten them so, I just put in the screw that came with it. I thought of hollowing out the pistol grip and storing a tiny screw driver in the space for emergency removal, LOL.

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Re: Intermediate eye relief pistol scope on a dr [Re: carpediem4570]
#156694 - 17/03/10 12:36 AM

I'm sure there are guys who can install claw mounts here, DM. The issue was more a shortage of smiths who said they had one to suit or could get one within the few months available before I was going to Africa. Having heard Heym's quote, I didn't look too far, of course, convinced it would all finish up costing more than I wanted to pay.

Your situation, carpediem, reminds me bit of the inverted Redfield extension mounts on my Sako 338. A coin gets them off in a moment, and they go back pretty well. I just don't make a habit of doing it, having a scope that goes down to 2X. The Europeans, it seems to me, once tended to put 6-powers on rifles for use in the forest. No wonder they wanted to reef the them off when they got in close.

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- Paul

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