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AkMike
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Alaskan Shooting
      #152960 - 06/02/10 06:18 AM

Several members of this forum had a great day at the range yesterday. A pretty large assortment of big bores were there to try out.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/...1621#2891061621

( For you Ozzies info.. that white stuff on the ground is just solidified water.)

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #152988 - 06/02/10 01:49 PM

G'Day Fella's,

No doubt about it Mike, you and ya mates are a Hardy Bunch of Souls!

Also, a Real Nice looking assortment of Kit on display/use!!!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: Homer]
      #152989 - 06/02/10 02:18 PM

Thanks Hommer, They are some fine folks.
At least 3 of us are on this forum and next time there will be a couple men more out for a day of fun.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #153007 - 07/02/10 12:19 AM

Speaking of Ozzies...

C'mon, you Down Under types...are you going to let the Frozen North leave you behind in the dust?

Give us a table or two of doubles to oogle over!

Mike; great pix and looks like a heck of a day at the range!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: 9.3x57]
      #153031 - 07/02/10 04:44 AM

We really had a great time playing with these beasts.

Next time there'll be more guys and more DR's.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #153056 - 07/02/10 09:37 AM

G'Day Fella's,

I would like comply 9.3 but I still don't know how to post images on-line!
Given that, some may say that I more than make up for that short fall, with my verbal waffle!!!

AKMike, I'm still getting over the physical size of the Massive Cartridge laying in your(?) gloved hand!
Please let us all know what Gauge or cartridge/caliber, that mighty beast is?

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: Homer]
      #153063 - 07/02/10 11:05 AM

That's a 4 Bore Hommer.. Even though he Omnivorious Bob had several loads for it ranging from meek to mild it hit on both ends. None of the rest of us have tried the full house loads ... YET!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #153076 - 07/02/10 04:39 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Mike, thanks for the Up-Date on the 4 Bore.
Like, Wow!

Your all braver men than me, light loads and all!!!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: Homer]
      #153077 - 07/02/10 05:34 PM

It really isn't bad with the lighter loads. That beast weighs in at about 16# as I recall. It takes alot to get that thing moving in the first place. I'd describe it as a very firm push, not a neck snapping shoulder cruncher. But with the full load it just might be? Bob could tell yoiu much more about it.
It's a wonderful piece of craftsmanship.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #153628 - 14/02/10 07:27 AM

Just an update;
We're going to have another get together on sat the 20th 'promptly' at the crack of noon. Everyone's invited provided you've got twin tubes!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #153701 - 15/02/10 12:44 AM

AKMIKE

It would great if I could load those photos up here on NE too.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #153786 - 15/02/10 12:02 PM

If I wasn't such a klutz with computers it would have already been done..
But as things stand now.... (Don't hold your breath)

I'll ask one of the other guys to handle it. Several of us are on here also.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #153858 - 16/02/10 05:56 AM

John, here you go! Thanks for the excellent site too. This is certainly THE place for DRs and like minded fellows.



Remington SPR 30-06, 9.3x72 Guild gun, 9.3x74 Chapuis, 9.3x74 Pedersoli, 9.3x74 Chapuis, 500/450 Hollis, 450N 3.25" JP Saur conversion, 577/500 3 1/8" Alex Henry, 318WR Tolley, 10-bore 2 5/8" Tolley, 8-bore Jeffery Ball and Shot, 8-bore T.Bland, and a 4-bore T. Bland single.



Randy aka Snowwolfe shooting a 4.



My dead chrono

The best part is that we're doing it again this Saturday the 20th at noon at the Birchwood range. Come on out! At least 8-9 Nitro Express members will be there.

Edited by NitroX (25/02/10 12:59 AM)

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #153988 - 17/02/10 12:46 PM

Quite an amazing collection.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #153996 - 17/02/10 01:21 PM

One of these days we'll have a bigger collection than shown.
It's hard to get everyones schedule to work together. I bet that when we have the spring fling it'll have alot better turnout.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #153997 - 17/02/10 01:24 PM

A question.

How well do double rifles function in very cold temperatures?

I was looking at a Siberian bear hunt once and was interested in taking my 9.3mm Valmet. I was told a bolt action is better as the double could freeze up. Or something like that.

Now you guys should be pretty clued up on this subject!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #154307 - 21/02/10 03:00 AM

Any answers?

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #154340 - 21/02/10 03:31 PM

Sorry John I didn't see this.
I haven't taken any of mine out in sub zero (f)/ -16c temps. I have taken my Chapuis out at freezing and other than a bit of arctic grade auto grease on the hinge. I didn't do anything to the lock assy. Because of the freezing rain/mist/snow I put several heavy coats of Johnsons Paste wax on everything. Then electric tape wrapped over the ends of the tubes. It worked fine that way for a black bear.

We did have another shoot today but the temps were just a few degrees above freezing. Everything worked well. I'm sure that Omni-Bob will toss up some new pictures here.
We had new shooters and 'new iron' also. Stay tuned!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #154342 - 21/02/10 03:47 PM

John, I haven't used a double below freezing, so other guys are probably more versed as to if there are any issues. Some AK shooters have used theirs for musk ox and other winter hunts and hopefully will chime in.

As Mike mentioned, we had another fun shoot today. In addition to the fine fellows at the last one, we had the pleasure of being joined by HorseDoc49 (Ron), Leigh, Randy, Cal, and AKshooter.

In addition to last weeks doubles, this time we also shot an 8-bore Manton, 7-bore Locke, 577 2.75" Bland, 8x57 over/under, a 338 (Ferlach?), Rodda 475NE, a 450 BPE, a 450/400, and a 577 Snyder howdah.


Manton 8-bore, Bland 577, Rodda 475, 450 BPE


Brett with Manton 8


Mike with Lock 7-bore


Buff target a bit worse for the wear!


577 Snyder


Cal with howdah

It was a pleasure meeting and shooting with you guys. I look forward to many more shoots in the future.

Bob

Edited by NitroX (25/02/10 01:00 AM)

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #154343 - 21/02/10 04:33 PM

Looks like a GREAT time - not much snow.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: DarylS]
      #154348 - 21/02/10 05:22 PM

It's been looking like spring here! Dammit! Where's winter?High temps have been about 40f.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #154394 - 22/02/10 03:33 AM

Now, THIS is a bear gun for backup - or hunting.



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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: DarylS]
      #154404 - 22/02/10 06:38 AM

I was thinking this would be an ideal hiking / fishing gun. The bears have been rather social in the last few years. It's great to see the these doubles and this fantastic howda here in use in Alaska. Great shoot there with that collection of doubles.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #154406 - 22/02/10 06:46 AM

Pedersoli does/did have a front loader Howdah pistol at one point. If it was half as much fun as this Snider,,, It'd be a royal hoot to shoot.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #154408 - 22/02/10 07:02 AM

Love that Snider round. It makes a good short range stomper in my Snider enfield, but in a hand held SXS classy cannon like the one in this post, it would be very comforting in bear areas here. It would be alot more convenient to carry on a salmon trip than the 10 lb 32" barrel 3 band rifle!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #154431 - 22/02/10 10:57 AM

Now that indeed looks like a short range bear stopper!

It would be interesting to see the howdah with a recoil sequence of photos, as it looks like it might jerk back serious (?).

Thanks for another fun set of photos. Some big cannon displayed there.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #154434 - 22/02/10 11:14 AM

The recoil with those loads really wasn't bad at all. Many of the modern hand cannons are much worse, but they don't have the lovely smell of burned black!

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      #154449 - 22/02/10 02:16 PM

I wonder if they load that Snider to the nuts with 110gr. or stick to the underloaded (well under case capacity) load of 85gr? I suspect a 'factroy-type' load would kick quite enough. The Pedersoli's are in 20 bore snooth, and .58 rifled, with a detachable shoulder stock.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: DarylS]
      #154455 - 22/02/10 02:35 PM

Daryl, the loads we shot were 70gns of Goex Fg under a 450gn .590" bullet. That was plenty. Actually it felt about like a standard 44 load, with a little bit of finger bashing. The virtues of the curved stock were apparent as it rolled up during recoil and felt milder than with a tight two handed grip. I fired a few at the 50yd berm to see the impact at that range but was blocked by the smoke every time. We shot the tiger target at 5 yds in keeping with the 'up close and personal' spirit of the gun. I would absolutely love to use this for black bear from a tree stand one year! After I get a chance to do some chronoing and load development I'll post the results and some better pictures here.

You should make it up to Anchorage some time for one of our shoots, as many guys here share enthusiasm for your type of hunting arms. 88M, come on out too!

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      #154547 - 23/02/10 04:19 AM

Love to Bob - the year after my wife retires, we're taking off to travel around North America. Got lots of people to visit - several indeed, in Alaska. The 14 bore will travel with me - just for Rendezvous and play.

That .57 Snider would make an interesting Black Bear round.

It would indeed be fun to poke one with it. 70gr. is a good charge for a handgun of that size.

I shoot 55gr. 3f in my .54 flint pistol with 220gr. RB and it about duplicates my .44 4" Smith, but had less felt recoil due to stock shape. It cracks pretty good. I can imagine how that Howdah belts and rolls.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: DarylS]
      #154864 - 26/02/10 02:23 PM

Mike and Bob..Isaac Walton Range. Use to shoot there from 2000 to 2006. Great range. Never ran into you Gents, wish I had. Great pics..

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: Riflemanusmc]
      #154866 - 26/02/10 03:16 PM

Well, since you know where it's at and since the next shoot is in about 3 weeks.... You've got plenty of time to drive up and visit!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #154922 - 27/02/10 06:32 AM

That just looks like great fun!

I envy/lust for the rifles...but NOT your weather

Thanks for sharing the photos.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AzGuy]
      #155386 - 03/03/10 03:47 PM

Gents:
I should have my Wilkes .600 returned from a friend Texas by then and will bring it to the shoot. Hopefully my 4 will be retuned from Griffin and Howe and that will be there, too. The last shoot was a super time with like-minded folks. All doubles with the exception of Rob's 4-bore Bland--and that is a beautiful rifle even though it is missing one barrel.

See you at the Palmer Lion show in a few days. Stop by my table.
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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: calpappas]
      #155391 - 03/03/10 04:02 PM

I'm going to bring a WR 500/450 built on a Deely Edge 1883 action. So there's another SS coming.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #156134 - 11/03/10 06:04 PM

Gents:
How 'bout a shoot at Birchwood the weekend after the AGCA gun show? Noon to....whenever. Should have my .600 by then. Also, I may have some extra 8-bore wads for sale.
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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: calpappas]
      #156249 - 12/03/10 09:14 AM

That sounds good to me!

I chronoed the howdah today and got an average of 608fps for 5 shots with a 450 grain bullet for 369 ft-lb. It feels heavier than that. That was with 70gn of Goex Fg, from a 41oz pistol with 7" barrels.
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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #156252 - 12/03/10 09:53 AM

That sounds like a plan to me also!

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #169839 - 19/10/10 05:02 AM


Come one come all
FYI, For anyone interested we're going to have our fall shoot at Birchwood this Saturady at 10:00 am.
We'll bring the cameras for anyone not able to attend.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: AkMike]
      #169846 - 19/10/10 06:42 AM

I think I'd try 2F, Bob, starting at 60gr.(& appropriate wads) and go from there. 60 of 2F might give similar speeds to 70 or even 75gr. 1F. I suspect 2F might get the speed up over 700fps, maybe even 750fps, without increasing recoil to an uncomfortable level.
The long barreled ctg. guns do well with 1F, but I'm sure the results might be better with 2F. It should be a lot more efficient in the shorter barrel lengths.

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AkMike
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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: DarylS]
      #169847 - 19/10/10 06:55 AM

It did quite well like it was Daryl. I actually hit the dirt berm at 100 yds within several feet of a bowling pin target.

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Re: Alaskan Shooting [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #169852 - 19/10/10 07:56 AM

Good on ya, Alaska!

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