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Sarg
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Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun
      #152931 - 05/02/10 07:29 PM

I just missed this today , I didnt know if I wanted it or not really .

It is a Shul & Son 14Ga X 14Ga Shot gun with a set of Cape barrels in 14Ga X 20Ga with sights
I didnt find out if the 20Ga tube was rifled before it sold .

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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: Sarg]
      #152947 - 06/02/10 03:47 AM

NUTS - intersting to the extreme - German or Austrian? I like the horn gaurd - different.

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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: DarylS]
      #152948 - 06/02/10 03:54 AM

That thing is sweet.
Set trigger too!




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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: tinker]
      #152953 - 06/02/10 04:22 AM

Looks like a Collath. Post a pic of the flats along with the area ahead of the flats on the tubes and that should tell the tale on the rifling.

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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: ellenbr]
      #152977 - 06/02/10 10:33 AM

The ade said German , I can,t get any info now as it is sold , sold cheaply I think , about NZ $550

I saw the set trigger , on a 20Ga/bore ?
The guy said he had shot it with the 20Ga , so it was in that cal or Ga !

Sorry for the late pick up , works out about US $380 , I dont know if that is good for a scruffy 14Ga shotty / Cape gun .

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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: Sarg]
      #152994 - 06/02/10 05:32 PM

I'll second the Collath brand. But it does look pretty rough.

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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: AkMike]
      #153090 - 08/02/10 12:51 AM

Collath was the successor of Teschner in Frankfurt on Oder. The Collath slide-and-tilt action was indeed developed by Teschner, first using needle-fire cartridges of Teschner's design, later regular centerfire cartridges. Collath continued making the Teschner-Collath action into the 1920s, but they also made "normal" break-open actions later.

Before the drawn-brass cartridge cases were perfected about 1870, the Germans used rifles in Bore calibers, 20 and 24 gauge being popular, for hunting. these were chambered for either paper or brass shotgun cases, shortened to about 40mm, and loaded with rather short, "beehive" lead bullets and black powder.



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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: kuduae]
      #153091 - 08/02/10 01:05 AM

Do tell kuduae: how do the locks cock? I had/have an opportunity to purchase a Collath/Tescher drilling and with the slide & tilt action I couldn't tell if the rifle component was in working order.

On another note, have you any info on fluid steel tube making in Germany circa 1900?

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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: ellenbr]
      #153092 - 08/02/10 01:29 AM

Rough? Hmm - thought it was rather well taken care of, considering the horn guard is in sich good shape. I'm comparing it to the very pitted English guns we see for incredibly high prices.

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Re: Shul & Son 14Ga X 20Ga Cape Gun [Re: DarylS]
      #153096 - 08/02/10 02:40 AM

The Teschner-collath guns used "Blitzschlosse" = trigger plate locks almost exclusively. These are cocked by a pushrod linked to the long, Lefaucheux-type underlever under the foreend. Collath drillings have three locks, one for each barrel. But Collath had his own ideas how a drilling should work and his own, patented barrel selector system: Collath drillings have the safety on the tang like the usual shotgun, first the wingnut type shown above, later the common slide. The barrel selector is a small lever on the right, lower edge of the frame, above the forward bow of the triggerguard. When this lever is up/flush to the frame, both triggers are linked to the shotgun locks. When down, one trigger, the one with the set adjustment screw, is linked to the rifle barrel. And here is another quirk: Collath apparently believed that the Rear/left trigger is better suited to the rifle barrel, so many of his drillings are set up this way.
Fluid barrel steel came into use quite early: since 1865 the Prussian army used it exclusively, first on Dreyse needlerifles. It was made by several steelworks/companies, such as Witten, Roechling, Baildon, Poldi. Krupp was a relative latecomer in this market, as they had concentrated on artillery before, but the "name" coming from their famous big guns soon made it famous and widely used.

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