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rigbymauser
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Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009
#152388 - 01/02/10 03:13 AM

Watch trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS02xaTIdRI

Yehaaa... Backaction, jones underlever, hammerrifle on the wolfy trail...I guess is, if that`s what it takes...it`s what it takes

I Am prepared!!. My question here. Are you prepared

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: rigbymauser]
#152424 - 01/02/10 11:29 AM

RM-

Holy Grail for the Wolfy Trail?

I think so - and I am SO prepared!!

I think that rifle started life as a pinfire rifle too - look at the fences, also I think that back when it was a pinfire rig one of the hammers had (at least once) slammed the fence, denting/creasing it - might have been the final straw on it's way to centerfire conversion.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: tinker]
#152427 - 01/02/10 12:12 PM

The twist barrels are very clear in stop action.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: Grenadier]
#152441 - 01/02/10 02:13 PM

Funny - looked like 10 or 12 bore cases, yet the bullets being cast looked to be about .40", .45 at the largest.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: DarylS]
#152458 - 01/02/10 03:38 PM

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Funny - looked like 10 or 12 bore cases, yet the bullets being cast looked to be about .40", .45 at the largest.

Ahh the magic of Hollywood.

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rigbymauser
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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: gatsby]
#152478 - 02/02/10 12:10 AM

its nice see that it isn`t "golden" framed 94 winnies, the "wolfhunters" are using.

The rifle does to some extent look like a converted pinfire, but again, when the action was closed, I didn´t see the "pinfire holes. Its not a gun with rebounding hammers. It has straight stock, with horn pistol grip.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: Grenadier]
#152515 - 02/02/10 06:05 AM

All of my pinfire double rifles and guns have had damascus barrels, most of them Bernard pattern except for the Purdey, and those tubes were forged in-house.

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The twist barrels are very clear in stop action.

The old cartridge bore-rifles are cool as it gets - and it's good to know they're an approved werewolf remedy!

On the absence of firing-pin notches on the barrel breeches, they were typically dovetailed with solid steel or the barrels would be faced off and rechambered, the lumps and hook set forward to re-set headspace.

The pistol-grip is steel, part of the long trigger-plate tang.

On the bullet-casting scene in the movie trailer, there are more than one cool vintage rifle featured in the film - likely for a different rifle!

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Edited by tinker (02/02/10 06:18 AM)

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: tinker]
#152531 - 02/02/10 08:55 AM

But the "vinged" bullets would have been for a frontstuffer, tough guy that takes a ml do warewolf fight.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: 450_366]
#152532 - 02/02/10 09:02 AM

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But the "vinged" bullets would have been for a frontstuffer, tough guy that takes a ml do warewolf fight.

Winged bullet, I often think of the jacobs rifle. The only doublerifle that were tried into a military issue...But too expensive.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: rigbymauser]
#152537 - 02/02/10 09:52 AM

I was handling a beautiful jacobs rifle in Reno a few months ago - could have taken it for a very good price too.

No regrets - I'm set for the wolf!

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: rigbymauser]
#152551 - 02/02/10 11:34 AM

Someone seems to think a 10 paradox was used in the movie.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Wolfman%2C_The_%282010%29

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: gatsby]
#152559 - 02/02/10 12:12 PM

This image from above linked site...

They show a completely different rifle.
That site has been waaaay off-base on numerous other *specific* gun identifications.

WEknow better!

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: tinker]
#152565 - 02/02/10 12:28 PM

Here's another image from that site...

This is where it's clear to me that this started life as a pinfire rig -- note the right fence with the notch (most likely from a strike from broken hammer)

Also - the wrist of the gun pictured in the image I linked above here from the site is completely different, there's no stalking safety bolts on the locks, there's no group of express sights, the rib looks swamped from breech to muzzle...

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: tinker]
#152604 - 02/02/10 08:08 PM

Quote:

This image from above linked site...

They show a completely different rifle.
That site has been waaaay off-base on numerous other *specific* gun identifications.

WEknow better!

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Not to mention that that particular gun is a 8 gauge and that its been impounded by english police for olmost three years, and theres no telling when they will release it.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: 450_366]
#152697 - 03/02/10 01:36 PM

You never really know with movie guns. They put together whatever they want to make the impression of what the gun is supposed to be. The mocked up gun doesn't have to be real and it doesn't need to function. The famous futuristic pistol in the old TV series "The Man From U.N.C.L.E." was really a dolled up P-38. For the movie "The Alamo" dozens of Remington rolling block rifles were fitted with non-functioning imitation lockplates to make them look like flintlocks.

The "Wolfman" gun may be a mix of several guns. In fact, the damascus could be painted and some of that metal might even be plastic.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: 450_366]
#152708 - 03/02/10 03:19 PM

Andreas-

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Not to mention that that particular gun is a 8 gauge and that its been impounded by english police for olmost three years, and theres no telling when they will release it.

Is that one of Mick's guns?

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: Grenadier]
#152709 - 03/02/10 03:29 PM

You make a good point.

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You never really know with movie guns...

Also, there are some fantastic collections of amazing guns in hollywood armories.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: tinker]
#152720 - 03/02/10 05:54 PM

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Andreas-

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Not to mention that that particular gun is a 8 gauge and that its been impounded by english police for olmost three years, and theres no telling when they will release it.

Is that one of Mick's guns?

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Its on his website, but the authoraty seems to think different

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: 450_366]
#152766 - 04/02/10 02:52 AM

Andreas-

That whole mess was such a freakin crime - against Mick and the People.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: tinker]
#154493 - 22/02/10 07:28 PM

Go to imfdb and tell them that they are incorrect. I think you'll find that they are willing to correct the mistake. That has been my experience in the past. You can even register on the site and edit the page yourself if you are so inclined. Mistakes happen and you guys are the experts whne it comes to doubles of all types. It's actually a fun site to go to and they are always willing to listen.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: Checkman]
#154496 - 22/02/10 08:00 PM

Well it appears that somebody at imfdb is aware of this thread. Check this out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Wolfman%2C_The_%282010%29#Perhaps_it_isn.27t_a_Paradox_Gun

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Holland_%26_Holland_Paradox

That poster is evidently the individual who has created most of the pages on the double rifles as well as the page for the movie "The Ghost and the Darkness" on that site. I get the impression that he would welcome any input since he admits that what he knows about dangerous game rifles has come from research only - like me. Might not hurt to cut him some slack. Could be he's afraid of you folks and therefore is worried about posting here. I'm not.I will readily admit that I'm an enthusiastic layman when it comes to dangerous game rifles.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: Checkman]
#154503 - 22/02/10 09:17 PM

It seem i can post this here as well.

Theres a confusion about the pistol in the ghost and the darkness.

Its not a lancaster, and that lacaster shown is a four barrel pistol.
Its a breech loader as seen in the pictures of the movie, and if i was to guess i would think its a D.Egg saddle pistol.

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: 450_366]
#154582 - 23/02/10 09:32 AM

Have any of you guys seen the movie yet? I saw it this past Saturday and thoroghly enjoyed it. There are lots of nice guns in it.....the big 8 bore double of course, plus sme sporting and military martinis, webley revolvers and other assorted weapons.........very well done!!

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: degoins]
#154592 - 23/02/10 01:28 PM

degoins-

In the film -- was the SxS rifle in question actually referred to as an 8-bore paradox, or even an 8-bore?

The bullet casting scene with the winged bullets, was that scene specifically framed to imply that the winged bullets were for the aforementioned SxS rifle?

On Checkman's comment on cutting the web-poster from imfdb, I don't think anyone here is being harsh on the guy (and I don't see anyone here laughing at him) -- and I'm sure he'd be welcome here at NitroExpress too!
Further, I'm fairly sure the rifle started life as a rifle -- just a pinfire, not central fire rifle -- I'm basing this on the stalking safeties and the pistol-grip tang extension (as distinction of rifle) and the fence detail (as distinction of pinfire).

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Re: Borerifle in " Wolfman" 2009 [Re: tinker]
#154645 - 24/02/10 04:07 AM

I've e-mailed Jcordell over at imfdb. He seems like a nice guy.He responded that on reflection he relaized that nobody was laughing at him, but that was his initial reaction. Actually he's a firearms enthusiast and a history buff. Admittedly his knowledge of the dangerous game rifles as well as all the older English shotguns and rifles is limited. He's an American and has a modest income (like me)and the great old doubles ,not to mention hunting in Africa or Australia, are out of his reach. But he's always willing to learn and welcomes any productive input.Anyway just thought I would contribute to this discussion since I happen to visit both imfdb and nitroexpress on a frequent basis.

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