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another M 95 sporter
      #151815 - 26/01/10 02:16 AM

again a M 95 sporter in 8x56R with a Ziel $ from reichert/wien on suhl claw mount
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2614530&PHPSESSID=a263ddc87f6cd0a14fb71a9c47ca413c
have send a PM about the magazin, how it works and if its allway use the M 95 clip






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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #151951 - 27/01/10 01:19 AM

this is only a mannlicher by the ammunition, but a nice one
break action rifle's in 8x50R Mannlicher are not so common





http://www.gebrauchtwaffen-spezialist.de/katalog7.asp?id=56187&lang=DE
a P.Wernig/Ferlach single shot from 1905




the italien carcano is also a mannlicher
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2604337&PHPSESSID=a263ddc87f6cd0a14fb71a9c47ca413c

post war guild gun in 6,5x52, in all not the quality of a MS in 6,5x54 but a neat little stalking rifle



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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #152025 - 27/01/10 02:57 PM

I can't see how that M95 *could* be clip-fed, there doesn't look to be enough clearance room when the scope is mounted.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: Story]
      #152226 - 30/01/10 02:13 PM

Very interesting rifles. Thanks for sharing the pictures. The Carcano is a particularly interesting rifle. Very pleasing lines in the sporting version to my old eyes. I think the military version looks ugly . . .

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #182529 - 26/05/11 04:23 AM

again two M 95 sporter for the archive

a very uncommon take down rifle




and another example for an austrian sporting stutzen,













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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #183909 - 16/06/11 10:20 PM

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again a M 95 sporter in 8x56R with a Ziel $ from reichert/wien on suhl claw mount
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2614530&PHPSESSID=a263ddc87f6cd0a14fb71a9c47ca413c
have send a PM about the magazin, how it works and if its allway use the M 95 clip






Did you learn anything about the magazine? I suspect it contains an integral, non-removable clip.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #183919 - 16/06/11 11:58 PM

dont get any informations about the rifle and I think its the original Mannlicher clip loading magazin. the gunmaker would have close the opening under the magazin where the empty clip fall out if it wasn't needed anymore.
my guess is that you have to remove the scope for loading the clip here. this is easy and quick because most of the M 95 or M 88 sporting rifles have a claw mount. this one here looks like a contra claw mount but it works equal. 5 rounds are enough for most hunting situations and for driven hunts they have shoot over iron sights.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #183930 - 17/06/11 01:06 AM

I sure like that single shot, side hammer rifle. Elegant.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #183952 - 17/06/11 04:07 AM

Thanks. That is probably the case.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #183983 - 17/06/11 01:54 PM

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I also have a Steyr with an acorn bolt knob. A little different than this one.
I had heared that this was sort of a trademark of an Austrian maker of whom I don't know the name.
I will post pictures soon.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: Huvius]
      #183992 - 17/06/11 03:57 PM

I dont think so, it was a common fashion and you will see it on to much different sporters. they cant be all from th same hand.

this is another one with the orignal bolt knob





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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #184210 - 20/06/11 05:34 AM

Here are a couple pictures of my 8X50 Steyr. It is an 1892 or '93 action I think. Note the acorn bolt knob mentioned above.
The 8X50R ammunition has proven to be pretty elusive though.









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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: Huvius]
      #184213 - 20/06/11 06:15 AM

great rifle , seems to be a Romania Mannlicher action in the 8x50R. the first sporter I see with this chamber but Austria rechamber captured mannlicher rifles from Romania for the 8x50R in WW 1. what for a clip use this one, the M 95 clip or the M93 clip?
btw, this is an M 95 Mannlicher sporting rifle in 6,5x53R so the reverse is also possible





please dont hesitate to show more pics from you rifle, also the complete view from left and right side. I am not against uncommon Mannlicher!
The 8x50R is very hard to get but with the new Prvi 8x56R Brass there is an superp basic case for handloading. Hirtenberger had loaded this cartridge around 1990 for some years with the ABC bullet. this ammo is now also collector stuff in europe. only Waffen Dorfner in Vienna is loading this cartridge to my knowledge with an 14,2 gramm softpoint. the ammo is CIP proofed but may not reach your side of the pond.
http://www.waffen-dorfner.at/buechsen.html

I think that the original 15,6 gramm bullet at 620 m/sec must be a great killer up to 150 meter.










see on the Waffen Dorfner website that they have an M 95 long rifle "Wehrmanngewehr" for the 8x46R Frohn, single shot of course. interesting for the collector of such Wehrmannrifle's.

http://www.waffen-dorfner.at/waffen.html

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #184214 - 20/06/11 06:48 AM

The old Austro-Hungarian 8x50R Mannlicher M1893 is still made, though under the name .315 IOF by the Indian Ordnance Factories.
See:
http://ofbindia.nic.in/products/data/ammunition/sc/14.htm
It was for many years the only centerfire sporting rifle cartridge made in that country, but it's history there goes back to before WW1: When the British banned the civilian use of the .303 military cartridge in their colony, BSA started to chamber Lee-Speed sporters for the non-interchangeable "foreign" Austrian round. The IOF at Ishapore still makes quite crude "sporters" chambered for the .315 IOF,
http://ofbindia.nic.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/5.htm
while the cartridges are made at their (in-)famous ammunition factory at Dum-Dum near Calcutta.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: kuduae]
      #184217 - 20/06/11 07:24 AM

Here are two vintage, pre-WW1, photos of the use of a straight-pull M95 Mannlicher sporter. From the book "Karpathenhirsche" = Carpathian Stags by August von Spiess, Austro-Hungarian, later Romanian officer. The author is shown with two of his magnificent stags and his sporter. According to his writings, he used such an 8mm Mannlicher sporter as early as 1896.





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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: kuduae]
      #184269 - 21/06/11 05:29 AM

very nice hunting rifle with a long barrel, most we see today are made in the hard years after the world wars from short stutzen.

do you think its the same rifle Kudue?



today a classic hunter von Spiess was ahead of its time with a nitro repeaeting rifle in 1896. this was a time when also european army's had have single shot blackpowder rifles and many hunters in Siebenbürgen had use the muzzle loader i suspect. he and his contemporaries were very quick to accept things like nitro powder, flashlights, cars. and I think they had also use mobil phones and red dot sight's, maybe silencer if available. not sure about night vision scope and black look alike assault rifles.

the OEWG in Steyr was also very quick to sell the latest military rifle in production to civilians. when the Walsrode Gunpowder factory start to develop an own Nitro powder in 1888 the only small bore rifle they could get for test it was the M 86 Kropatschek rifle from Steyr.
Huvius, dont forget to show more pics from your rifle! could it be that it was made for the indian market?

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #184278 - 21/06/11 11:03 AM

Here's one I found a while back , in my seach for a 92 to 95 standard bolt sporter .



















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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: Sarg]
      #184287 - 21/06/11 01:39 PM

beautiful Peterlongo rifle! in 8x50R???
must give it a scope again

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #184337 - 22/06/11 11:40 AM

Sorry , Lancaster , I don't own it , only came across it in my search for the other type M95 sporter , if it had been that type I would have bought it & added a horn forend tip to make the forend look better , the rest of the stock is a beauty !

And yes it was in 8X50R.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: Sarg]
      #186906 - 30/07/11 06:01 PM

another M95 sporting rifle http://www.technika.nu/modules/tinycontent0/index.php?id=132










the owner is looking for a scope with Wiener Schnäppermontage and you see that this rifle also was scoped with this mount. I will send him a mail that this will be hopeless and he will better contact a good gunmaker to made new parts.
here is a Schnäppermontage on a Schönauer Modell 1908




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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: lancaster]
      #186942 - 31/07/11 06:11 AM

Marvelous!!

I'm sure all the old owners of these fine rifles could tell many fascinating stories!!

Thanks so much for posting!

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: 9.3x57]
      #186990 - 31/07/11 10:48 PM

Wonderful thread. What is it about these old Mannlichers that is so fascinating? Those Carpathian stags are simply huge. Had no idea such game existed.

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: BillfromOregon]
      #186991 - 31/07/11 11:16 PM

there is a classic literature from german-austrian and hungarian hunters about the game of the carpatian mountains that may be unknown to the english speaking community because no translation exist till now.
in the name of our patron staint hubertus is the red deer the single most important game in the central european hunting culture and a lot of hunters have and do everything for a real big stag.

the magnificent trophy's from the carpatian moutains are simply legendary and get the same attention like elephants, lions and grizzly bears.
believe it or not

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Re: another M 95 sporter [Re: 9.3x57]
      #186993 - 01/08/11 12:22 AM

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Quote:

he and his contemporaries were very quick to accept things like nitro powder, flashlights, cars. and I think they had also use mobil phones and red dot sight's, maybe silencer if available. not sure about night vision scope and black look alike assault rifles.




That is an interesting comment.

I think many of us think of "professional" hunters in some sentimental way, using old "classic" equipment because it is "always better". This sort of applies to the white African professional and the culture of hunting that has grown there {doubles and whatnot}.

Throughout Europe hunters were pretty fast to gravitate to scopes and bolt rifles, actually, long before hunters in the USA. Even in my lifetime I remember the endless arguments about whether scopes were better or worse for deer hunting...arguments that have pretty much evaporated.

And in the USA, going to the old buffalo hunters, they used much "modern" equipment {for the day} and one little-known period of hunting history I am researching now that spanned some 40-50 years in the Western USA was the period of US Federal government large predator control operations.

Scopes and small-bore high velocity rifles were quickly adopted, with the Savage 99 in .22 HP, .250 Sav, and a bit later .220 Swift and .270 Winchester used by a number of those involved in that very difficult work. At a similar time period your Eastern and Central European hunters saw the advantages of these scoped bolt guns. Different quarry, but similar observations; the advantages of "small-bore" {compared to older black powder rounds}, scoped bolt rifles cannot be ignored.

These 95's, and the others of the similar era you've posted really highlight the diversity in makes and models of stocks, scopes and mounts especially. Absolutely fascinating!!!



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