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bonanza
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Sabatti DR
      #151186 - 20/01/10 02:52 AM

Anyone got their hands on a Sabatti DR?

How's the quality?

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: bonanza]
      #151493 - 23/01/10 12:13 AM

I looked at 3 of them at the Cabela's booth at DSC week before last.

They were about what I expected for $5,000.

Nuff said.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: Sikahunter]
      #152981 - 06/02/10 11:52 AM

I bought one of the 45-70. Haven't been able to shoot it but once 10 rounds. Very Very tight action. Almost too tight even lubed ets. Well done otherwise, but a light piece for sure.
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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: Tallchief]
      #152991 - 06/02/10 04:08 PM

Are the hammers external and do the shells eject? Does it only come in 45-70?

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: crkennedy1]
      #152992 - 06/02/10 04:52 PM

Look around in this area for a few discussions on The Sabatti. It's hammerless and up to a 500 NE with the bigger stuff at some point in the future... maybe. Ejectors.. not yet but someday maybe

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: AkMike]
      #153046 - 07/02/10 07:08 AM

Yes, they do come in other calibers, but have gone quickly given their low price. Check Cabelas as they seem to be the only ones with them at present. I think I saw a 470 last week....Good luck.
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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: Tallchief]
      #159934 - 04/05/10 03:29 PM

There has been a lot of buzz about these guns and their low price. The NE calibers all weigh in at about 9 1/2 pounds. Seems a might light, especially for a .500 NE or bigger. Will definitely hit hard on both ends. I think some of the savings will be spent on ibuprofen...

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: hunter_angler]
      #159938 - 04/05/10 04:52 PM

The "basic" guns are listed on Cabelas for $3,000, in .45-70 and 9.3x74mm.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: smicha6551]
      #159968 - 05/05/10 03:47 AM

I am interested in one of the NEs and I even have a Cabels close to my home - I guess I'll just have to play the waiting game...

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: crkennedy1]
      #160628 - 18/05/10 04:42 AM

Picked up one of these ejector rifles in .470 NE last Sunday.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=10473

Just couldn't pass it up based on the price. Guns are a little light. I was quoted 9lb 9oz for the .470 and 9lb 6oz for the .500 NE, so it seemed like the .470 was the way to go. Also fills a hole in my lineup well, as I already have a .50-140/510 NE built on a Browning 1886 action and a Ruger No. 1 in .400 Jeffery. Now I have a working man's double, right up the old Texas T-Bone.

I would say the wood is not spectacular, but very good. Finish is glossy. Fit to metal is excellent. Engraving (apparently machine cut) is rather ornate and I would say well done. Blued metal is polished and flawless. Gun swings and handles well to me, although my prior experience with doubles has been primarily with shotguns. It balances well in the hands and is quick to the shoulder, a lot like good big-bore lever actions, with which I have spent a lot of time.

I have not been to the range with it yet, but when I am ready to spend some more money and make some noise I will report back again. In summary, I bought this gun largely based on type (double) and caliber for price. Although realistically it is in no way the equal of a fine British gun, we will see if it can do the J.O.B. Thanks.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: hunter_angler]
      #160640 - 18/05/10 11:38 AM

Quote:

Guns are a little light. I was quoted 9lb 9oz for the .470



Wow that is light. Congratulations on your purchase. I hope it shoots well and doesn't punish you too much. Give a report. Looks like a nice rifle.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: CptCurl]
      #160661 - 19/05/10 03:04 AM

FYI - I recieved a advertisment in the mail yesterday from our local Cabela's (Lehi, Utah). The Sabatti DR in 45-70 will be marked on sale for $2,799 ($200 off) for their upcoming sale. I have two the Remington SPR22 (Baikal) in both the 45-70 and 30-06, so I have my "working-mans lightweight" doubles. I'll hold out for something a bit bigger...



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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: crkennedy1]
      #160664 - 19/05/10 04:18 AM

were did you get that remington case for their dr? ive been looking for one. regards

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: pod]
      #160685 - 19/05/10 12:31 PM

I was just going to tell CR that "great minds think alike". I have the identical setup for my Remington/Baikal 45/70. Don't know about CR, but I got my case from a fellow selling them on GunBroker.com.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: Sgt_Brown]
      #160703 - 19/05/10 09:09 PM

sarg. can you give me the persons info. so i can get one? [remery@bellsouth.net]

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: pod]
      #160707 - 19/05/10 10:08 PM

Hey guys - I found the Remington cases on eBay. The guy is out of New Jersey. They are great quality and really dress-up my SPR22s. Here's a link to one that he's got for sale right now (great price too!) http://cgi.ebay.com/REMINGTON-SAFTY-LOCK...747723478783914

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: crkennedy1]
      #160722 - 20/05/10 02:03 AM

do you have this fellows info. i cant get into e-bay regards

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: pod]
      #160735 - 20/05/10 06:41 AM

found it and ordered it today. thanx

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: hunter_angler]
      #160748 - 20/05/10 01:30 PM

Quote:

Picked up one of these ejector rifles in .470 NE last Sunday.



Congratulations.

Will be very interested to hear your report on how it shoots and handles. Thanks.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: NitroX]
      #160750 - 20/05/10 02:04 PM


At last Sabatti has listed its double rifles on its web pages. Last time I looked, there was no listings:

Sabatti's Double Rifle web pages

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: NitroX]
      #160781 - 21/05/10 01:02 AM

I am interested in either the 470 or 500 NE as soon as one becomes available

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: pod]
      #160912 - 24/05/10 12:27 AM

Quote:

were did you get that remington case for their dr? ive been looking for one. regards



Holt's Auctioneers has quite a few cases up for auction in June.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: 500Bo]
      #160976 - 25/05/10 06:27 AM

They currently have three in 45-70 at the Cabalas in Hazelwood, MO, I was looking at them Sunday afternoon. Two with vented recoil pads and one solid, they were all very tight as well.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: NotSure177]
      #160995 - 25/05/10 02:50 PM

Is it available in 450N.E. in the basic action?
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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: gallatin]
      #161026 - 26/05/10 12:17 PM

My Sabatti 500 NE is in my hands. All 470 & 500 NE from the current shipment have been sold, allegedly 20 & 10 respectively.

Some answers for the inquiring minds:

They are a bit light in the large bores-less than 10#; I will be adding a mercury recoil reducer after initial shooting.
The recoil pad is a useless POS an will need replacement with a quality pad.
These were regulated with Norma (470) and Kynoch (500); they may eventually be regulated with Hornady at Cabela's request.
Comes in a decent plastic (Italian) case.
Mine has a fine piece of figured walnut, hand checkering and deep Oak Leaf & Acorn engraving.
Mine is very tight.
The Cabella's models are slightly different than Sabatti's catalog rifles. Brass front sight, sling swivel studs and an included scope mount as well as a CABxxxx serial number.

Gotta run.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: AfricaHunter]
      #161031 - 26/05/10 12:39 PM


Hi LionHunter,

Well done, I hope mine will arrive tomorrow God willing.... You say that the pad is useless ?? why, is it a cheapie...Funny you say about Cabela's request to regulate with Hornady, I asked the Australian Agent the same thing as the .450 N.E. 3.25" is also regulated with Kynoch but we can not purchase it in Australia or the powder that Kynoch use, the Cases and projectiles are no problem as we have what Kynoch use here.

Good luck with the rifle and keep us up to date with the results of the shooting tests.

Cheers from Australia,

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: AfricaHunter]
      #161032 - 26/05/10 12:40 PM

LionHunter,

Let me be the first of many to congratulate you on your new rifle! Whenever you find time, please do post some pictures here.

Congratulations again, and good hunting!

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #161052 - 27/05/10 12:39 AM

LionHunter, Ditto - let us know how the rifle shoots and we'd love to see some pics.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: crkennedy1]
      #162818 - 26/06/10 11:33 AM

You were absolutely correct, the recoil pad supplied is "Shit" so hard that it useless as a recoil suppressant. I also had a new one fitted to match the style of the rifle.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: AfricaHunter]
      #162822 - 26/06/10 12:15 PM

Far too light for caliber! I had a 465 H&H Dominion grade that weighed in @ 10.5 pounds and it kicked like an indignant camel! On the other hand my Rigby 470 weighed 11.8 pounds and was a dream to shoot! My 476 Westley weighed 11.4 pounds and was also very pleasant to shoot. The rifle needs to have sufficient weight to caliber to be a comfortable gun to shoot.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: doubleriflenut]
      #162826 - 26/06/10 12:34 PM


Hi Doubleriflenut,

Quote:

Far too light for caliber! I had a 465 H&H Dominion grade that weighed in @ 10.5 pounds and it kicked like an indignant camel! On the other hand my Rigby 470 weighed 11.8 pounds and was a dream to shoot! My 476 Westley weighed 11.4 pounds and was also very pleasant to shoot. The rifle needs to have sufficient weight to caliber to be a comfortable gun to shoot.



The Sabatti in .450 N.E. 3.25" weighs in at 10lb but the caliber gives more of a solid push and not as harsh as the .458 Win Mag or similar but that's only my opinion.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #162840 - 26/06/10 05:36 PM

Around 10lbs imo is ideal for 450/470 doubles, in particularly if you intend to track Elephant where you carry the rifle far more than fire it.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: ozhunter]
      #162852 - 27/06/10 12:57 AM

Anyone know if they are available here in AU and what they are worth?? Wouldnt mind a crack at the 9.3

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #162856 - 27/06/10 02:45 AM

Quote:

Anyone know if they are available here in AU and what they are worth?? Wouldnt mind a crack at the 9.3



Matt,

Try http://www.shshooting.com.au/

See this thread:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=160814&an=&page=0&vc=1

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #162857 - 27/06/10 04:16 AM

On my .500 NE and .470 Sabatti rifles, I put on much better recoil pads, the kind that push on, upward from the bottom, for ease in getting it on and off easily/quickly, when I want to access the throughbolt for removing action. I stripped the butt and forend wood, putting on best London hand rubbed oil finish, and it helped bring out the smokey black grain a lot; now it looks great. I hated the shinny varnish like crappy spray on finish. I also put on, steel pistol grip caps, and took the trigger guard off, milled off its attachment piece, TIG welded on an extension, and ran it all the way to the steel grip cap, screwing it on with two screws; now it looks much better.That action is outstanding, best alloy steel, thick where needed, and will hold up through hell and high water, proofed at 30 to 50 percent over max. for .416 Rigby, because same action is used in all calibers they chamber this rifle for, and .416 Rigby is one they chamber it for. I think it is an excellent modern double rifle, and on we will hear more about as time passes. It should hold up well over time, if the double Purdey underbolts hold up to hammering through the years---only time will tell.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #162873 - 27/06/10 09:32 AM


Hi doubleriflejack,

It sounds like you have gone "Above & Beyond" making your Sabatti's a real personal item. Is there any chance of some pictures as I think that all of us "Sabatti" owners would be interested.

Cheers,

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #164358 - 17/07/10 05:21 AM

Sorry, have no camera at all, and wouldn't know how to post pictures if I did. I hate cameras, and am way too busy working on all my double rifles, making them the way I want them. My latest alteration, covering my recoil pads with black leather, so my Sabattis look better yet.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #164874 - 24/07/10 01:03 PM

I had the opportunity to handle one of the Deluxe models down in Futt Wutt a few weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised. The stock finish looked so so, not quite what I expected from the pictures but can be remedied with a strip and rubbed oil redo. The engraving was tasteful and the french gray wasn't at all bad. Really well done case coloring sans engraving is what spins my crank. Even the little whatsit that guards the top lever was pretty cool in person. One standing and two folding leaves were nice. Action fit was nice as was wood to metal. Splinter forend would definitely be a future mod.

Whether or not this tidbit means anything to anyone else is subjective. I pick a point and mount the gun with my eyes closed then open them and if the sights are aligned on that point with a natural mount that's gravy to me. The Sabatti did and a beautiful little Chapuis didn't. I know it's a matter of stock fit, but when shekels are as hard to come by as they are around here, every little expense spared is bonus. The one I looked at was chambered in .450 3 1/2 which made it terribly tantalising. It balanced well, though the exact weight is unknown. You'd have thought they would have a scale. (Shoulda gone and borrowed one from the fishing dept. Doh!)

All in all, if the dogs had better accomodations around here it might have come home with me. As it is I'm just checking out current market prices on extraneous well used internal organs and stashing loose change in the meantime.

I really like the sound of what doubleriflejack is doing to his. Bears some considerin' for the future. For the money I'd consider it a buy.


P.S. Looked at the .45-70 Basic too. Most of my two twos have more metal at the muzzle than they do. Think I'd rather part with the kidney and go nitro deluxe if the choice was to be made.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: Ironscot]
      #164881 - 24/07/10 02:21 PM

The 9.3 x 74R is nice but too thin at the muzzles. (and the foresight base and rib needs a good tickle)

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: AfricaHunter]
      #166283 - 16/08/10 06:28 AM

I bought a 9.3 at the Cabelas in Buda yesterday. I agree with all the comments on the wood finish. It's functional but apt to be improved. I'm curious about the comments that the barrel is too thin at the muzzle. Is this a cosmetic complaint? I can sort of see that but it seems fine to me. The action is tight but not to a point that bothers me. This should be good fun. Frankly, I kind of like the fiber optic sights. I can see why they'd drive a traditionalist nuts.

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: davidindallas]
      #166311 - 16/08/10 09:00 PM

My source was a fella who has been around for years (a very knowlegeable collector of note). I think that his judgement may be based on the bearing surface available for final regulation (a soldered rib and wedge) and the chance that it may loosen. (and the issue of muzzle flip)

Edited by kamilaroi (16/08/10 09:01 PM)

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Re: Sabatti DR [Re: Ironscot]
      #166332 - 17/08/10 04:23 AM

I overlooked mentioning in my post above, but I did as "ironscot" did, in checking over my new Sabatti rifles in .500 and .470, closed my eyes, pulled each rifle up in firing position, opened my eyes, and was delighted to see sights lined up beautifully, showing rifles fit my extremely well, and I have no Italian in me at all! Now, my .470 has figure in stock, multiple streaks of smokey black, that far excel the .500, so much so that I think it is a fluke, an oddball, as I have tried to look at the stock figure on every one of the comparable deluxe models put up for sale by Cabellas online, and none of them came even close to figure in my .470. It shoots as well as it looks too, putting left and right on bullseye, about 1 1/2 inch apart at 50 yards. Shoots as well as a Westley Richards I have, and fits me as well as any of the other British, German, Belgian double rifles I have. I have now added a trap grip cap from NECG. Have added a bit of lead weight at strategic places in forend and stock, easily removable, for future experimentation to get as much weight, within reason, without upsetting point of impact. My .470 has ejectors, the same system originally designed by Frederick Beesley; sold to Holland and Holland, and used by them since, foolproof. Again, the whole of the action on the deluxe model of Sabatti contains only ONE coil spring, for the top lever, while other springs, mainsprings and ejector springs are good old traditional V springs of good quality and workmanship. All workmanship on my two is very well done. I have a large collection of double rifles from Britain and the continent, some being great old classics, yet I would buy a Sabatti deluxe model (not familiar at all with the cheaper Sabatti model, as I have none) at the asking price today, in a heartbeat---great value for money, and I expect the price to increase in the not too distance future.

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