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cooch
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Pig Baiting Survey
#15113 - 23/05/04 03:29 PM

The Pest Animal CRC is conducting a survey in feral pig baiting.

The survey form can be filled in online, and specifically includes recreational hunting as an "interest" ..

If you have a dog in this fight, take the time to fill it in.

http://www.pestanimal.crc.org.au/Feral%20Pig%20Survey.htm

Cooch

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: cooch]
#15120 - 23/05/04 08:34 PM

Hmmm find out where the pigs are then fly in and bait them. Kill all the pigs in the area, no more pig hunting. Call me a cynic.

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: Bakes]
#15152 - 24/05/04 09:03 PM

Ok.....

So all the piggers keep their heads down, and the authorities play it just like they're doing with foxes.

They go around to all the farmers telling us how useless hunters are and that the only real way to control pigs is by buying their baits.

That what you want?

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: cooch]
#15154 - 24/05/04 10:00 PM

Have you read the page?

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Meat & Livestock Australia and the National Feral Animal Control Program has recently funded the Pest Animal Control Cooperative Research Centre and Animal Control Technologies to develop a commercial feral pig bait along the same lines as "Foxoff®".

The omnivore bait is being developed to appeal to feral pigs from both cropping and grazing areas, and will likely be less appealing to dedicated herbivores and carnivores.

Benefits would include reduced non-target hazards (through a pig-specific novel toxin delivery system), ease of use and potentially reduced cases of sub-lethal dosing. A manufactured bait would also be much more consistent than field-prepared baits providing benefits including more effective pig control, reduced non-target risk and better storage ability.
The bait will initially contain 1080, and as such will only be available through land protection officers, local council or other suitable authorities.

They are going to do it anyway! Why should I tell a comercial company where the populations of pigs I hunt are?

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: Bakes]
#15156 - 24/05/04 11:36 PM

Bakes

The only bit in the survey I saw referring to location was which state you are in where you hunt or farm etc

Putting NT is not going to tell them anything new.

I fillled out the survey and said hunting is a economic benefit to the farmer as are pigs on their properties - if they go about it in the right manner. I also said I think poisoning pigs is incredibly cruel and should not be allowed.

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: NitroX]
#15183 - 25/05/04 10:31 AM

Sorry mate I don't buy it! But hey thats just me

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: Bakes]
#15189 - 25/05/04 09:40 PM

Bakes....

I have fox-baiting going on all around me.
No-one told them ovet the net that there were foxes here... They just go to ALL the farmers in districts that run sheep and tell us how wonderful baiting is and how much money it'll save us. They also make a point of telling us that shooting ain't much chop.

Now you and I know that the latter is bullshit..
But if the usefulness of hunting as a control measure isn't established... then baiting becomes the ONLY control measure being touted to farmers.

Do you really think they need surveys like this to find out where the pigs are?
Uh, Uh....
They go ask the chillers to see which areas are taking in the greatest numbers. They go to the farmer organisations and the Rural Lands Protection Boards or whatever they're called in your state, and ask where the complaints are coming from when farmers are losing stock and crops.

I can understand your POV, but that doesn't mean I think it reasonable.

I DID read the whole damned page,,, and the plans they have for baiting are the very reason I thought it worth while asking piggers to put their hands up and get it on record that they're a valuable part of the pig-control equation.

Think about it......... Peter

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: cooch]
#15219 - 26/05/04 11:27 AM

This a private company asking us about our past time, what for? To help us? I don't think so. Its to sell their poison product nothing more. As I said I just don't buy it. Thats my opinion.

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: Bakes]
#15245 - 26/05/04 10:33 PM

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This a private company....

Eh???

Where do you get that idea?

In reply to:

We are an un-incorporated joint venture of seven organisations: The Australian National University; CSIRO; Adelaide University; The University of Sydney; The University of Western Australia; The Agriculture Protection Board of WA; and the Department of Conservation and Land Management WA.

The reason that there is any form of company structure involved is that CRCs are not in the business of selling product.

Co-operative Research Centres (CRCs) have been established to address a number of environmental issues and are a considerable step forward in research organisation and funding.

The nearest this survey gets to asking where you chase pigs is a request (which you DON'T have to comply with) to tick a box regarding which STATE you operate in. (I ticked every state I've ever hunted pigs in....;)) It's hardly reasonable to contrue that as an attempt to find your personal hotspot is it?

It isn't even about hunting as such..... it's about pig control. It gives us an opportunity to tell them that there are a lot of blokes out here who are already controlling pigs and who have no intention whatsoever of buying their bloody baits because baits are non-specific, inhumane or any other decent reason you can think of.

Keep the knee-jerk under control and start thinking through the issues.

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: cooch]
#15256 - 27/05/04 10:56 AM

Well my mistake, I saw this and assumed...

In reply to:

Meat & Livestock Australia and the National Feral Animal Control Program has recently funded the Pest Animal Control Cooperative Research Centre and Animal Control Technologies to develop a commercial feral pig bait along the same lines as "Foxoff®".

I should have not assumed anything but well there you go.

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is that CRCs are not in the business of selling product.

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a lot of blokes out here who are already controlling pigs and who have no intention whatsoever of buying their bloody baits because baits are non-specific, inhumane or any other decent reason you can think of.

Hey?

Knee jerk? proberly, Are you trying to tell me that thay are not trying to sell a product? Do you think that they give a shit what hunters say about their poison? If every hunter in Australia fills out the poll and says no to poison, do you think they will just stop their research/production of it? They want to make a better poison so they can supply the goverment agencys and the agencys can say to the greeny's "look our poison is species specific, we are doing something good for the enviroment"

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start thinking through the issues.

What issues? Please tell me why I have to think about the issues. I'm cynical about the whole thing, thats my opinion, I'm allowed to have one. You posted this on a public site and when someone has a different opinion you get a bit defensive. Well good luck to you cooch, hope the survey goes well.

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Re: Pig Baiting Survey [Re: cooch]
#15965 - 19/06/04 10:10 AM

Gudday Bakes....
Sorry to delay answering.

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What issues? Please tell me why I have to think about the issues. I'm cynical about the whole thing, thats my opinion, I'm allowed to have one. You posted this on a public site and when someone has a different opinion you get a bit defensive.

The issues as I see them are that in refusing to stand up and be counted in a survey of this nature:-

recreational

economic

Now I have to question why any hunter with the welfare of his sport in mind would miss these opportunities..... and why you'd prefer that the only people that the researchers hear from are farmers and greenies who'd prefer to see feral pigs completely eliminated from Australia.

If you really think that this is money-making exercise, why on earth aren't you prepared to tell them that the market isn't going to be as big as they'd like to think?

I get my take on CRCs from a PhD qualified researcher who is also an avid hunter (yep, pigs too) and lobbyist for shooters' rights. The reason that she has chosen to work for a CRC when the money is better in private industry, is that the results of their research are allowed to stand on their own merits.... rather than being driven by profit.

Cynicism is a wonderful thing, as long as it isn't allowed to degenerate into an excuse to ignore evidence that contradicts your assumptions.
I've done my best to give you valid information relating to this issue so that you - and others reading this - can make an informed decision. Attempting to mislabel this as "defensive" doesn't strengthen your own argument or invalidate the information .

As for being defensive,,, you give me better information, and I'll change my opinion (I can't be fairer than that.). There's nothing sacred about opinions - they're nothing more than a position taken without enough information to form positive conclusions.
The issue with posting opinions in a public forum like this is that they influence others - and therefore you and I have a responsibility to ensure that our opinions are informed and not based simply on prejudice.

Now I've given you some issues as you requested. Play the ball rather than the man by adressing the list I've given you - point by point.

Please consider......... Peter

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