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Elephant charge!
      #150958 - 17/01/10 07:16 PM



Elephant charge with Buzz Charlton and NE member MJines.


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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: NitroX]
      #150959 - 17/01/10 08:26 PM

I don't think Pondoro would be impressed, stand still laddie, stand still.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: eagle27]
      #151005 - 18/01/10 09:25 AM

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I don't think Pondoro would be impressed, stand still laddie, stand still.



Easier said than done.... and not necessarily the best advice!!

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: NitroX]
      #151008 - 18/01/10 09:48 AM

Definitely not for the feint of heart.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #151021 - 18/01/10 11:20 AM

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Definitely not for the feint of heart.




And therein lies the reason this game is so addicting .. really...WOW!!!

Who can look at that and not wish they were there ...man that is AWESOME..

Looking at the shots fired, the double proved its worth once again as well when hunting the big boy’s….



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Edited by Ripp (18/01/10 03:37 PM)

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: Ripp]
      #151039 - 18/01/10 05:21 PM

AZGuy

Agree with your first bit but not the second. I was concerned that when running backwards as both the hunter and the PH were doing after the first shots it could have proved fatal if they had tripped, especially the hunter who did eventually bring his second barrel into play to good effect but he sure would have look silly if sitting on his arse. I don't think the PH had managed to reload by then so he was of no use at that stage of the charge. It appeared as though he was putting the effort into getting back rather than a fast reload of that bolt action and a follow up shot.

I know its easy to comment when not there but I guess it doesn't hurt to review the situation and hope to learn from it.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: eagle27]
      #151043 - 18/01/10 06:05 PM

I wouldn't necessarily say they were running after first shots but smooth side stepping to increase distance from the Ele with far less chance of tripping than running.
Running at first to gain some open shooting terrain is the usual plan.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: ozhunter]
      #151068 - 19/01/10 01:53 AM

I couldn't help noticing how the bolt gun came off the shooter's shoulder when he cycled the bolt. This is an unnecessary waste of time and requires the shooter to reacquire the sights between shots, creating even more wasted time. However, cycling the bolt with the rifle in the shoulder is not a trick acquired without a lot of practice. In my opinion, that kind of practice is time well spent. See http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post103292 for a tutorial on how it is done.

Also, I noticed both shooters seemed casual about reloading/replenishing the magazine. The last thing to be saddled with in a tight situation is an empty rifle.

When I shot my first elephant, I was standing looking down at it and it occurred to me that I should reload my rifle, a bolt gun which I had emptied at a range of about 35 feet. When I opened the bolt, I was surprised to find a live round in the chamber and a full magazine. I looked down and there were four empty cases at my feet.

I had drilled myself in reloading so carefully that reloading had become automatic and I had carried it out without even being aware of it. Practice makes perfect.

That said, this was obviously a case of very effective shooting in a tight situation. It would be interesting to see whose shots hit where, but wherever they hit, they were certainly effective.

I have always avoided a frontal brain shot on elephant, because of the smallness of the frontal cross section of the brain and the difficulty of locating the brain, depending on the head angle. In that situation, howeveer, there was no choice, and you do what you have to do.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: xausa]
      #151075 - 19/01/10 03:00 AM

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I couldn't help noticing how the bolt gun came off the shooter's shoulder when he cycled the bolt. This is an unnecessary waste of time and requires the shooter to reacquire the sights between shots, creating even more wasted time. However, cycling the bolt with the rifle in the shoulder is not a trick acquired without a lot of practice. In my opinion, that kind of practice is time well spent. See http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post103292 for a tutorial on how it is done.




I find even practising with a .22 firing and reloading at the shoulder helps condition one to keeping it at the shoulder.

One problem is reloading, too much guys are so worried about retrieving empties that they look to see where the cases go.

Much better especially with DG to stuff the brass and reload at the shoulder.

As for stepping backwards, sometimes it is a good idea to keep some distance as game advances.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: NitroX]
      #151084 - 19/01/10 04:07 AM

Two shots at 14 seconds. Third shot at 15 seconds and PH brass flies at 16 seconds.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: xausa]
      #151093 - 19/01/10 06:23 AM

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I couldn't help noticing how the bolt gun came off the shooter's shoulder when he cycled the bolt. This is an unnecessary waste of time and requires the shooter to reacquire the sights between shots, creating even more wasted time.



Looks as if he looked down the mag on his rifle as well, but could be mistaken as his hat was the only thing visible in the end of the reload.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: 450_366]
      #151100 - 19/01/10 06:53 AM

Regardless of the techniques used, the bottom line is that there's one extremely dead pacyderm, and there were no injuries incurred by homo sapiens.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #151106 - 19/01/10 07:47 AM

LOL!
"Mike - Mike, come here...!"
Even better was the "permission" to shoot... Very coolly. And promptly does Mike shoot!

Jeez, but I'da shit my pants!!! Both dudes were cool and the target was well hit.
Thinking back how much I shook when shooting my giraffe (who was not attacking) I can only respect the duo.
Phew!

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PS. Had I been able to fire in a similar situation, I think I'd change my alias to "Bwana Empty The Magazine".

PPS. Now I understand why some people promote the maxim "Use enough gun".

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: Schauckis]
      #151107 - 19/01/10 07:58 AM

Any way you look at it, that is some pretty fancy foot work and shooting! Looking at it in slow motion, it looked like the double goes off first, then Buzz shoots and the ele is going down. The double does off again as the Ele is falling. Definate "diaper" moment.

How about a commentary from MJines ??

I think Ann (Aspen Hill) hunted with Buzz. She has a good video of the Ele that she shot.
Ann can you verify?

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: Schauckis]
      #151172 - 20/01/10 12:42 AM

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Jeez, but I'da shit my pants!!! Both dudes were cool and the target was well hit.
Thinking back how much I shook when shooting my giraffe (who was not attacking) I can only respect the duo.
Phew!

- Lars/Finland

PS. Had I been able to fire in a similar situation, I think I'd change my alias to "Bwana Empty The Magazine".




Yep when its rushed and under stress, things often go wrong, so these guys getting the shots off etc are doing well.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: NitroX]
      #151289 - 21/01/10 04:25 AM

Good video, but, heck, hindsight is 20-20 so here I go....! Once that bull rolled they should have stopped and finished him.

Girly credit to Buzz for playing it safe.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: AspenHill]
      #151293 - 21/01/10 05:00 AM

It's stuff like that which makes hunting fun.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: 500grains]
      #169969 - 21/10/10 01:56 PM

I had trouble with the video in Photobucket. It is now on You Tube. There are some other clips on You Tube as well of a lioness, hippo, croc and buff being shot. Sadly none with a double rifle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?more...der&index=4



Edited by MJines (21/10/10 02:09 PM)

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: MJines]
      #169978 - 21/10/10 05:07 PM

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Sadly none with a double rifle.




Never mind - thanks for those!

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: xausa]
      #169983 - 21/10/10 07:52 PM

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Also, I noticed both shooters seemed casual about reloading/replenishing the magazine. The last thing to be saddled with in a tight situation is an empty rifle.

When I shot my first elephant, I was standing looking down at it and it occurred to me that I should reload my rifle, a bolt gun which I had emptied at a range of about 35 feet. When I opened the bolt, I was surprised to find a live round in the chamber and a full magazine. I looked down and there were four empty cases at my feet.

I had drilled myself in reloading so carefully that reloading had become automatic and I had carried it out without even being aware of it. Practice makes perfect.




Funny that you mention this. I am of the same opinion as you, and before going ele hunting some years ago, practiced filling my magazine until it became automatic. When I eventually did shoot an ele, my PH mentioned shortly afterwards that I should refill my mag. When I put my hand down to fish out some cartridges from my cartridge wallet, it was already missing the number of rounds I had fired. This had been done so automatically, that just as you had experienced, I had not been aware that I had done it. It had also been done so swiftly that the PH didn't catch that I had done it either.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: EricD]
      #170052 - 23/10/10 03:02 AM

video has gone missing

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: 500grains]
      #170058 - 23/10/10 06:14 AM

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video has gone missing



click the lower link and look in lower left corner to play, its there.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: ]
      #170060 - 23/10/10 06:28 AM

Wow - awesome charge! (It looks like the double is what knocked it down)

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: crkennedy1]
      #170071 - 23/10/10 12:43 PM

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One problem is reloading, too much guys are so worried about retrieving empties that they look to see where the cases go.

Much better especially with DG to stuff the brass and reload at the shoulder.




Not just with dangerous game. I've read of more than one cop here in the states that's been found dead with an empty revolver and a pocketfull of empty cases. That is, back when the cops used revolvers.

Stopping dumping the brass into your pocket is a hard habit for reloaders to break. The funny thing is that was one of the selling points for a manually operated fire-arm. They wouldn't fling the brass all over like a semi-auto. I wonder how many people got killed because they bought into that?

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However, cycling the bolt with the rifle in the shoulder is not a trick acquired without a lot of practice.



It's really not that hard if you don't develop any bad habits first. A little instruction is also not a bad thing. Pick up an old Army field manual. I learned to work a bolt-actioned rifle from FM 23-6, Basic Field Manual, U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1917.

Everybody in my family used lever rifles. So cycling the bolt from the shoulder is the only way I ever knew how to shoot one.

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Re: Elephant charge! [Re: Freeloader123]
      #170082 - 23/10/10 10:22 PM

Thrilling videoclip. Elephanthunting is DG hunting for sure.

I presume it is in these situations one wants a two barrels loaded up in heavy caliber as one can handle.

Thanks for sharing the clip

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