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M 88 sporter with side mount
#150579 - 14/01/10 12:56 AM

2 weeks ago I was becoming a question from finland about a proper scope mount for an M 88 carbine. my answer was that I have only allways have seen M 88 rifles with the Mannlicher Schoenauer claw mount. A very fine but also very expensive possibilty. this was true till now: a M 88 sporter with a side mount and period scope

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Re: M 88 sporter with side mount [Re: lancaster]
#150584 - 14/01/10 01:17 AM

Not bad by any means.

Aber, I seem to have sold the young woman on the idea that a M-S claw mount would be right. I've found a friendly gun nut with skills and access to CNC-tools, he'd promised to copy my set. We'll see how they turn out.

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Re: M 88 sporter with side mount [Re: Bokmal]
#150586 - 14/01/10 01:23 AM

with cnc technology it must be acceptable but EAW will not be amused if you rule the big finish market for MS claw mounts some day

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Re: M 88 sporter with side mount [Re: lancaster]
#150601 - 14/01/10 02:47 AM

The side mount appears to be an early Griffin & Howe with windage adjustment, although the fact that the "rings" are soldered to the scope tube makes me question that. I have emailed Herr Simon to ask if there are any markings on the mount.

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Re: M 88 sporter with side mount [Re: xausa]
#150855 - 17/01/10 12:09 AM

Such windage-adjustable side mounts of several designs were quite common in Germany pre-WW2. They were offered, for instance, by AKAH and are still available from EAW. German side mounts were even offered by Stoeger in the 1940 Shooters Bible p.210

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Re: M 88 sporter with side mount [Re: kuduae]
#150866 - 17/01/10 02:32 AM

Herzlichst willkommen in das Forum, kuduae!

I am aware of the profusion of German side mounts, both pre-and post War, plus American side mounts, such as the Neidneer and the Noske, but I base my speculation on the large number of Griffin & Howe mounts I have owned and examined.

If you examine the Griffin & Howe mount shown here: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post150224 the resemblance to the one on the M 88 is overwhelming: the shape and location of the levers, the shape and location of the windage screw, the number and location of the mounting screws all point to G&H.

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Re: M 88 sporter with side mount [Re: xausa]
#150877 - 17/01/10 03:07 AM

OK,it looks like a G&H mount, but a pre-WW1 German rifle and a pre-WW1 German scope joined by an American mount by a company founded in 1923, using germanic soldered half-rings on the scope, and then the whole affair back in Germany? IMHO it may also be a Greifelt, Suhl mount. Perhaps G&H did not invent their mount from scratch, but copied an existing foreign design. At least, the Greifelt mount shown in the Lampel/Mahrholdt "Waffenlexikon" looks just like the old Griffin&Howe single-lever side mount.

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