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John303
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Geco Mauser Info / Comments
#150524 - 13/01/10 03:50 PM

I have purchased (not received yet) a Geco Mauser in 8x57, in the pics. on the sale site it looks to be a fairly well made gun on a small ring 98 Mauser (which surprised me). I have since established that Geco was / is a retailer? in Hamburg Germany and the gun was in all likely hood produced in Suhl. Any further info. / comments /?s would be appreciated. --- John303.

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: John303]
#150545 - 13/01/10 08:34 PM

hello
I having also a Geco M 98 http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=138413&an=0&page=1#Post138413
Gustav Genschow & Co. AG from Karlsruhe and Berlin was one of the biggest ammunition maker in germany. it was bougth in 1963 from Dynamit Nobel. till now its the lost cost production line beside RWS. Geco had have an own factory in Suhl(what I know) but the relationship's before 1945 were very complicated there. everyone was knowing everyone, worked for everyone and in most cases was related with everyone in suhl. so its hard to say if your rifle was made from Geco. my own rifle is very similar to another 9,3x57 from Karl Bartel(Kaba).

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: lancaster]
#150576 - 14/01/10 12:22 AM

I owned ths one for awhile. 8mm Good rifle nothing special.

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: casper50]
#150634 - 14/01/10 11:43 AM

Thanks for the responses, what got my attention about this particular rifle was the small ring action. When I get it home in a week or two I'll do an autopsy and see if it is true small ring / just ground down large ring. Will post the results. --- John 303.

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: John303]
#151427 - 22/01/10 12:43 PM

Received the Geco to-day, for the money I'm pleased. Bore crisp & clean, rear sight has one flip up, no rust,with I would say about 75% bluing remaining , recontoured military trigger guard, had DSTs at one time, push button release on floor-plate, suspect stock is Turkish walnut - nice grain and sort of a light brown colour. Now for the action, it is a small ring the question is, short of pulling the barrel is there anyway of telling if it is a true small ring? --- John303.

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: John303]
#151684 - 25/01/10 03:16 AM

Since my last post I have re-read my book "Bolt Action Rifles" by Frank de Haas. In his book he indicates that 2 small ring military Mausers were produced a 33/40 and a 98a for use on carbines. The 98a (WW1) was further lightened to produce the 33/40. After looking at the pic. the trigger guard is the same on the 98a as on the rifle I just purchased. FWIW --- John303.

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: John303]
#151719 - 25/01/10 06:05 AM

the karabiner 98 a have in his military configuration the same trigger guard as any other mauser.
but your geco rifle here have maybe a very typical guard for this firm.
please take a look: a 10,75x57 marked only with geco and a 9,3x57 from karl barthel/suhl made for geco

this guns coming from sweden, allways the same style. I ask myself if all M 98 sporter's were made from Karl Barthel for Geco. we need to see more geco sporting rifle's but it seems that this firm's product's had a special look.

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: lancaster]
#151722 - 25/01/10 07:01 AM

Ex-military small ring Kar 98a actions were very popular after WW1 with the Suhl/Zella-Mehlis guntrade for building slim hunting rifles . These actions come from dismantled carbines, hidden away from the allied disarmament comissions. Usually all military markings were removed or covered up by engraving to make them bona-fide "civilian". As the Kar 98a trigger guard, different from the Gew98 one, was too small and in a wrong position for installing double set triggers, they were usually replaced with shotgun-style guards as on your rifles, even if a dst was not to be installed.
A photo of all markings on the underside of the barrel may point to where it was made and proofed, SSuhl or Z-M, and to the date of proof/making.

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Edited by kuduae (25/01/10 07:03 AM)

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: kuduae]
#151729 - 25/01/10 08:18 AM

Thank for your reponses, this particular rifle has a trigger guard similiar to a 95 Mauser, I have several Mausers with guards similiar to those shown by Iancaster & Casper (nice guns by the way). Too bad the DSTs are gone and a military trigger installed. no lettering on the barrel but the action has Y501 on the under side, any idea what that means? The stock has a POW grip and no cheek piece, rear sight installation is very much like a 21H Brno. --- John303.

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: John303]
#151794 - 25/01/10 07:22 PM

kuduae, I can follow your arguments but my own 10,75x57 geco and the two rifles postet here are definately not small rings.
I can only assume now that someone( maybe Kaba)had have a special taste for such trigger guards. they are not common on M 98 sporter's and also not nessesary in the example's I have seen.

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Re: Geco Mauser Info / Comments [Re: lancaster]
#151841 - 26/01/10 05:28 AM

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kuduae, I can follow your arguments but my own 10,75x57 geco and the two rifles postet here are definately not small rings.
I can only assume now that someone( maybe Kaba)had have a special taste for such trigger guards. they are not common on M 98 sporter's and also not nessesary in the example's I have seen.

You are right, as adding a shotgun-style triggerguard to a Mauser 98 action was a "Custom Touch" very often added by German gunmakers from the 1920s to the 1970s, sometimes used even today. So also is a "butterknife" bolthandle. Perhaps influence of the Mannlicher-Schoenauer design? Or, did they all, Austrians and Germans, follow the same fashion?

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