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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Caprivi]
      #224731 - 04/02/13 10:35 AM

This thread is awesome Some fantastic rifles, tips, and pictures here. Thanks, gentlemen,

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Caprivi]
      #224749 - 04/02/13 06:39 PM

I´m quite sure it is 8x57 IRS i.e. with rimmed case.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #224758 - 05/02/13 12:13 AM

send the seller a pm and asking for pics showing the bolt head. I am 100% sure he dont realy know what for a chamber his rifle have. there were polish mosin rifles rechambered into 8x57IS between the wars so its possible and could be. maybe such a rifle ends civilian hand in austria after ww2. its a typical ferlach gunmaker build Stutzen and its not realy possible to say if it was made after 1918 or 1945. Austria rechamber Mosin rifles to 8x50R Mannlicher in the great war. could be its such an old warhorse.

so we have this possibilty's: 7,62x54R
8x50RMannlicher
8x57IS
just another sporting round

anyway, its a lovely stutzen and I dare to say it will sell for low money because the stupid dont appreciate it aynmore.
dont fit into my collection and gun safe room is scarce

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #226078 - 28/02/13 12:21 AM

I was fortunate to get the last russian made 6,5x54R mosin biathlon ammo box. Biathlon today is a girly sport but up to 1977 it was shoot with real rifles. the russians had an own cartridge for this. a 7,62x54R necked down to 6,5mm and an allmost forgotten round today. this is a 20 rounds box made by "188" LVE factory with brass case and a spitzer bullet in 1973. the finish and russian 9,3x53R are very similar and replaceable to each other but the russian 6,5x53R and the finnish 6,3x53R are different rounds. of course it seems possible to load the finnish cartridge into the russian chamber. I measure 6,73mm for the russian bullet and 6,53mm for the finnish bullet. the russian give a V 25 of 745m/sec for the 9,9 gramm bullet and the finnish cartridge is noted with a V25 of 850m/sec for the 2,3 gramm bullet so completly different.









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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #227468 - 24/03/13 05:42 PM

interesting hunting rifle http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4335084
captured by KuK troops in WW 1 and rebored by Steyr for the 8x50R Mannlicher. it was used for building a hunting rifle between the wars.









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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #227698 - 28/03/13 08:05 PM

classic finnish post war mosin hunting rifle in 762x53R with scope on side mount
http://www.ace-gun.com/product_details.php?p=1264







and here is a unknown to me russian repeating rifle in 9,3x53R for sale in germany
4 rounds magazin, 58 cm long barrel

dont ask me for the name or who made it, must be new







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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #227727 - 29/03/13 12:34 PM

I love the lines on that Finn. Very nice.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Even]
      #227760 - 31/03/13 07:18 AM

I would love to see some more Arctic Birch sporter stocks as made for the Mosin as like the ones made in Finland post WW2. I favor this wood highly and it is rarely seen in the USA outside of Finnish Mosin Nagant military rifles.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #227768 - 31/03/13 06:10 PM

THE Arctic Birch stocked hunting Mosin-Nagant would of course be marshall Mannerheims personal Sako 1943 hunting rifle (third from left in this pic, courtesy of the Mannerheim Museum)


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #227779 - 01/04/13 12:42 AM

I undertstand that artic birch is something for the american taste. it seems they liked higly figured wood very much and see also their love for maple gun stocks.
http://www.gunstockwood.com/
arctic birch gun stock will always sell in the united states!


still waiting for your report showing the mannerheim collection in detail

"Hunting was one of Mannerheim’s outdoor activities until the time of war. The following weapons are in his collection:

– A Berdan rifle, m/1870, 10,67 mm from the year 1882 and two from the year 1887,

– An infantry rifle, m/1896, 6,50 mm,

– A Steyr infantry rifle, m/95,8 mm,

– Two shotguns (William Powell & Son)

– A Mauser hunting rifle (Obendorf)

– A Mauser hunting rifle (Tiroler Waffenfabrik)

– A Mauser hunting rifle, .350 Magnum Rigby, half-stock (since 1936)

– A Mauser hunting rifle, Purdey & Sons

– A moose rifle (Sako 1943) and

– A Caucasian hunting rifle"




hunting red deer as a guest of Hermann Göring in east prussia 1935


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #227783 - 01/04/13 02:32 AM

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THE Arctic Birch stocked hunting Mosin-Nagant would of course be marshall Mannerheims personal Sako 1943 hunting rifle (third from left in this pic, courtesy of the Mannerheim Museum)



When I come to Finland to visit you my friend ,I must see this rifle !

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #227971 - 04/04/13 03:29 AM

My interest in the Mosin-Nagant was slow in developing. As I came across articles and stories about the rifle my interest deepened. With that I bought my first Mosin-Nagant and been hooked ever since. I came across this thread nearly a year ago and visited it regularlly. I appreciated and drooled over the many fine sporterized rifles in this thread. The knowledge I learned from the postings of this forum actually prepared to me to realize this rifle was something special when It became available to me.

From what I can gather this sporterized Remington 1917 dates to around the 1920's. It has some interesting characteristics. You can appreciate the skill of the craftsman to make a nice rifle with only what he had available to work with. The barrel was shortened to 26 inches with a banded and hooded front sight installed.



Note in the picture below how a section of walnut was grafted into the original stock so a pistol grip could be formed.


A Pacific R1 aperture sight was installed on the cocking piece.


From an article in the 1998 Gun Digest 53rd annual addition titled "Russian Sporters" by Jim Foral I learned that the pistol grip cap and forend cap could have been made from discarded automobile battery housings.


This era is refered to as the "Golden Age" of military surplus sporterizing in America and very much in vogue. Commerical bolt action rifles were not quite available in numbers to the american sportsman as the demand require so many rifles were sporterized in sheds, garages and kitchens across the land.

This is my first post. I hope I have done my homework well enough to get it to post the way I hope.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: DesertDrifter]
      #227972 - 04/04/13 03:38 AM

Nice writeup and a veery cool diopter! I'm jealous...

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #228063 - 05/04/13 02:46 AM

very nice and historic sporting rifle tell's us alot about the bad years in the 1920/1930s. on the first view I thought it was a bannerman sporter in 3006 but it seems to be in 7,62x54R
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KI7BCToQhRc

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #228069 - 05/04/13 03:20 AM

Very interesting film. The Bannerman is a new name to me.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #228077 - 05/04/13 04:58 AM

I should have mentioned in my post that it still hosts the original 7.62x54r chambering. It shoots quite well the Pacific R1 sight. Shooting supported at 100 yards I produced 1 1/2 x 1 3/4 inch groups using late 70's Bulgarian surplus ammunition.

When this rifle was sporterized "plinking" with a rifle of this caliber was not done. So over the years it was probably used only to provide the winters venison. I suspect, by the evidence of the fine condition of the bore, that when american manufacturing had caught up with the demand for bolt action rifles this one was retired to the closet.

Thanks for your comments, they are well appreciated.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: DesertDrifter]
      #228313 - 08/04/13 02:07 PM

last time it became a little bit more colourful here but this is always the 9,3x53R Finnish thread and we have a mission in the name of science.
my special thanks to Bokmal who found another ammunition variant and recognised the relvance for our search.

what we have here is a 15 gramm FMJ spitzer bullet load in the 9,3x53R with v/0 of 735 m/sec











naturaly my first thoughts were going to the currently available Norma load 9,3x57 Jaktmatch.




again a 15 gramm FMJ spitzer with a v/0 of 675m/sec
like the name suggest a cartridge loaded for target practise. that may have been also the reason for this load. bokmal point me also to the fact that it would be a good bullet for hunting the black woodgrouse and fur bearing animals like fox too.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #228492 - 10/04/13 08:14 PM

I read somewhere that the 9.3x53r became popular as a minimum bullet diameter became mandatory in Finland ? or maybe other Scandinavian countries for Moose (ELg in Norway)???

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #228497 - 10/04/13 10:43 PM

SAKO began to load and make suitable bullets for 9,3x53R in 1942. The law for minimum bullet diameter for moose had prescribed before WWII and it was 8,2 mm. The reason for that law was to forbit 7,62(x53R) mm army and civil guard rifles for hunting purposes.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #228591 - 12/04/13 12:22 PM

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SAKO began to load and make suitable bullets for 9,3x53R in 1942. The law for minimum bullet diameter for moose had prescribed before WWII and it was 8,2 mm. The reason for that law was to forbit 7,62(x53R) mm army and civil guard rifles for hunting purposes.


Ha Ha ....i am sure that slowed down those Finn hunters whose only rifles were M28/30 7.62x53R caliber !

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #229190 - 22/04/13 04:53 PM




Ha Ha ....i am sure that slowed down those Finn hunters whose only rifles were M28/30 7.62x53R caliber !



These proud Finnish wolf hunters from 1934 prove your sceptisism well founded...

Both hunters on the left carry the Civilian Guard M/28 or M/28-30 rifles. Second from left even has the aluminium muzzle protector attached. Second from right has a C96 with rifle stock attached, now that's classy

(Pic courtesy of the Finnish National Library)





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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #229192 - 22/04/13 05:04 PM

Who is a good gunsmith in the USA with experience in opening the Mosin Nagant magazine for bigger cartridges?

I need to have the following rifle rebarreled in my .405 Grenadier caliber. It will be easy to find someone to do the barrel, bolt, and stock modification. But modifying a Mosin Nagant magazine is not the sort of thing that most gunsmiths will have done.





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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #229204 - 22/04/13 11:17 PM

Quote:




Ha Ha ....i am sure that slowed down those Finn hunters whose only rifles were M28/30 7.62x53R caliber !



These proud Finnish wolf hunters from 1934 prove your sceptisism well founded...

Both hunters on the left carry the Civilian Guard M/28 or M/28-30 rifles. Second from left even has the aluminium muzzle protector attached. Second from right has a C96 with rifle stock attached, now that's clasy

(Pic courtesy of the Finnish National Library)






Great picture Bokmal ,Many thanks for posting. Interesting times back then !

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #231875 - 30/06/13 04:42 AM

the tale of a failure

while the rifle standing still in the white in my safe for a year I finally got now the time and leisure to start blueing. have old rust blueing stuff from Suhl here that give the typical very black colour you may see on post war Suhl made guns. after working successful with M 98 parts and allso the small Mosin parts like srews I learned that the magazine box and the magazine cover were made of a steal thats unsuitable for my stuff. I try everything for days but it did not realy rust and when not completly. after boiling it in hot water the rust became like dust and when you dont remove it with steel woll it became loose when you brush the thing with acid again for the next season.
have order hot blueing chemicals now, hope this helps




small parts like the magazine catch works perfect


only cleaned with steel woll again in a moment


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #232652 - 18/07/13 12:13 PM

so I am pondering on building another sporting Mosin and was wondering if any of our overseas friends have any sources for really nice classy side mounts for Nagants, any help would be great any many thanks in advance.

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