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Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed?
#150032 - 10/01/10 03:35 AM

Interested in thoughts on the 6x70 mm Rimmed cartridge.

Anyone used one?

If not what do you think of it?

90 gr projectile at a muzzle velocity of 2400 fps.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: NitroX]
#150037 - 10/01/10 04:00 AM

It's a cool cartridge.

I passed on a hammer cape gun in 6x70 and 16bore a couple years ago.
If it weren't for some condition issues I'd have gone for it.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: NitroX]
#150039 - 10/01/10 04:19 AM

I have seen a few rookrifles and 410s rebarreled/ relined for this cartridge. It is indded a funny little cartridge. It is a lowpressure cartridge, designed to give "new life" for fadedout kipplaufers(breakaction) + could still keep the requirements for european huntinglaws. It is a true roebuck caliber.

It could be interesting to find a sound 410 action, and have a double made.

Edited by rigbymauser (10/01/10 04:22 AM)

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: rigbymauser]
#150086 - 10/01/10 02:48 PM

My idea is to use it on roos, goats, pigs and also deer such as fallow, chital, perfect for hog deer.

Not to mention a European roebuck.

I wonder how over gunned it would be on rabbits, hares and foxes? No doubt way over gunned ...

An alternative calibre I have been looking at is the 5.6x52R but with its 70 gr bullet at 2800 fps the 6x70R with a 90 gr at 2400 fps is not a lot different anyway, and if the 6x70R could be loaded with a 70 gr (75% rule) the two may be almost identical.

The 5.6x52R (.22 Savage Hi-power) would still be over-gunned on the small stuff, but a little under-powered on the medium game.

Just mulling over a project.

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Edited by NitroX (10/01/10 09:13 PM)

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: NitroX]
#150090 - 10/01/10 05:50 PM

John;

What's the gun?

As for ballistics, it is as you say almost a dead-ringer for the .22 Savage which is identical in performance to the 5.45 Russian and heavy-bullet 5.56/.223. I have no experience with the 6mm but do with the 5.45 Russky and that one kills dogs the size of the small deer just fine.

It'll be a bit rough on meat rabbits and hares for sure but I'd think OK on foxes if you can get some hard bullets for it.

This must be a gun project of yours we need to hear more about...

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: 9.3x57]
#150099 - 10/01/10 09:10 PM

im working on 2 projects at the moment, one a double and 1 a H&H rook rifle, the caliber is really sweet, fun and effective, norma loads it so quality ammo is there as well.

i will post a few pictures when i get the time.

best

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: peter]
#150105 - 10/01/10 11:57 PM

John - by Europe I assume you are thinking mainland countries for roebuck - the 5.6x52R would technically not be legal for roe in England, but would be in Scotland... Not sure what rules apply where you might be thinking of using it.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: NitroX]
#150106 - 11/01/10 12:03 AM

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Interested in thoughts on the 6x70 mm Rimmed cartridge.

Anyone used one?

If not what do you think of it?

90 gr projectile at a muzzle velocity of 2400 fps.

Well you got me on this one. I've not even heard of a 6x70mm. In fact, my edition of Cartridges of the World has no such listing.

Can someone give a bit more information on this? Is it a new offering? Is it a wildcat?

Long skinny bugger isn't it!

Thanks,

Curl

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: CptCurl]
#150110 - 11/01/10 12:34 AM

Its about 10 years old and a work done between krieghoff and norma. Norma is loading it and sells it in germany but i dont know if its awaiable in other countries or if any other has it in their program. I think it begun as a low pressure cartridge for krieghoffs inserts not that it was ment as a replacement for obsolete, but it sure is a nice cartrigde for an old kipplauf or rook rifle as Peter suggested. The pressure is right down with 22 Hornet.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: 450_366]
#150112 - 11/01/10 12:41 AM

I thought it was designed to meet various Euro minimums for roe/reh/rå shooting?

I'm surprised it missed the bus there in England. Or was it just designed to meet some requirement in Germany and just happened to meet velocity/joules requirements in DK, etc, but not everywhere. I have the Norsk chart around here somewhere but offhand it looks like it might be OK for rådyr in Norway, ditto Danmark, Peter? And Sverige?

Am I thinking of a different cartridge?

Not 5.6x57, I know that one was designed for 200 meter roe requirements, but I thought this one was for some minimum for roe also.

Am I offbase here?

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: 9.3x57]
#150115 - 11/01/10 12:50 AM

i think it is legal for roe in england as well, but i might be wrong, it is legal for roe in denmark and is a very good choise for that(who am i kidding, you need a 577 pbe to do that safely

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: 9.3x57]
#150121 - 11/01/10 01:11 AM

In Europe (most, at least those who have around 1000J minimum) its good for everything below grade 1 animals, (deer,pig,moose,bear etc.) and when constructed it was meant to stand up to those but in a lowpressure cartridge and so suited for insert barrels in shotguns and combos.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: peter]
#150122 - 11/01/10 01:11 AM

What I have read in a German hunting forum, the 6x70R is OK for hunting roe deer, although I prefer a somewhat bigger bullet (like Peter !).

Not much to add to Andreas` comment except that Wolfgang Romey also participated in developing that cartridge.

The 5,5x57 is in another class, easily matching the performance of the .22-250.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: Kalunga]
#150125 - 11/01/10 01:15 AM

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The 5,5x57 is in another class, easily matching the performance of the .22-250.

Yes, that one has been intriguing for me for a long time; a stock Mauser 98, using cheap 6mm Remington brass for cases, 25 inch tapered stalking barrel, quick twist for shooting the heavy 77 grain bullets. As the wolves wipe out our big game, it just might become a preeminent coyote/wolf gun around these parts.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: 9.3x57]
#150132 - 11/01/10 01:46 AM

Sorry, I was referring to the 5,6x52R that John mentioned as an alternative. The minimum for roe here is 6mm and 1700ft/lb, so the 6x70R should be fine.

Edited by JabaliHunter (11/01/10 01:48 AM)

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: JabaliHunter]
#150139 - 11/01/10 02:02 AM

I think I like it already and never heard of it before this thread.

My next double rifle. . . .

Peter, a rising bite?

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: CptCurl]
#150140 - 11/01/10 02:04 AM

Damn, or what about a tiny David McKay Brown DR in this chamber.

Very small - minature Scottish Round Action.

Wow that would be nice.

Dream on, dammit!

Curl

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: CptCurl]
#150154 - 11/01/10 05:29 AM

curl

just wait and see what i have in store for you in a few months, it will make your mouth water talk about small action

, sadly we are not abel to do it yet in london a lot more R & D before we can come out with mini action, so this is a private project, but fun none the less, the final product should weigh a bit over 4 pounds

best

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: peter]
#150253 - 11/01/10 11:58 PM

Peter,

We all will be anxious to see this project.

Curl

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: CptCurl]
#150269 - 12/01/10 01:37 AM

Quote:

Damn, or what about a tiny David McKay Brown DR in this chamber.

Very small - minature Scottish Round Action.

Wow that would be nice.

Dream on, dammit!

Curl

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: tinker]
#150283 - 12/01/10 02:17 AM

Quote:

It's a cool cartridge.

I passed on a hammer cape gun in 6x70 and 16bore a couple years ago.
If it weren't for some condition issues I'd have gone for it.

Cheers
Tinker

I think what you have seen was an old cape gun for the mother cartridge 6,5x70R, so called "Bleistiftpatrone" or pencil cartridge - you can write with a soft point load on paper very fine.

there are not many informations about the 6,5x70R, it was for very slim drillings and büchsflinten. ballistic was the same as we have for the better known 6,5x58R Sauer&Sohn. the 6x70R was developt from Norma for Krieghof as a very low pressure round for barrel inserts. this way the power is under the old 6,5x70R because kriegkof dont like high pressure loads in combination guns. the 6x70R is till now the only case with the base diameter of the 6,5x70R, it is simply necked down.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: lancaster]
#150290 - 12/01/10 03:22 AM

The more I think about this round, and the more I discussed it with the good folks at the DSC show, the better it sounds. I want one for myself.....it will be perfect for the average 100lb and under hogs that populate East Texas.

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: baileybradshaw]
#150296 - 12/01/10 03:52 AM

Has anyone ever made a rising bite double with Westley hand detach droplocks ? best, Mike

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#150315 - 12/01/10 06:49 AM

mike

please i have told you that you can have pretty much anything you are willing to pay for but that is a very tall order

best

peter

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Re: Thoughts on the 6x70mm Rimmed? [Re: peter]
#150337 - 12/01/10 08:31 AM

seriously Peter, is it do-able ? best, Mike

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