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HawaiiPD
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William Douglass 470
      #14332 - 05/05/04 02:08 PM

I just bought a Wm. Douglass 470 in like new condition. This is my first double rifle and I have a few questions for
the veterans out there.

1. When firing the gun, which trigger does one pull first?
2. Does the front trigger fire the right barrel?
3. I have the England address of the maker in Stafforshire
and I will snail mail them questions on their history,
owner's manual.
I have questions on reloading that I will post on that board. Thank you.



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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: HawaiiPD]
      #14345 - 05/05/04 04:39 PM

HawaiiPD

Welcome to NE.com

It is natural to pull the front trigger first on any double barrelled firearm as it will place your finger in the ideal position for the second trigger and barrel.

However when using different loads, eg a soft (right barrel) and a solid (left barrel), you may choose say to shoot the left barrel or solid round in preference. A definite advantage of the double triggered double is to instantly be able to choose the round prefered for the situation.

USUALLY the front trigger fires the right barrel and the rear trigger the left barrel. However this is not always the case. I would think all current models would be of this configuration though.



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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: HawaiiPD]
      #14359 - 05/05/04 11:23 PM

Double rifles are designed to be shot right/left. That is the way they are regulated. The best way to see what your rifle is regulated for is to look on the barrel flats. Depending on when the rifle was made it will give you the Cordite load and bullet weight the rifle was regulated to shoot.

I would suggest using the formula set for by Ross Seyfried in reloading Nitro Express cartridges. I have an emailable copy of this article and will be happy to send it to you if you would like. Please email me at rkmojo@aol.com

Congrats on your new doubles.
Take it over to Kona and hunt with Pat Fisher for some pigs on Parker Ranch!



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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: HawaiiPD]
      #14362 - 06/05/04 12:48 AM

Have fun and enjoy the shooting in!!

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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: Rusty]
      #14364 - 06/05/04 02:01 AM

Rusty

Can you put the article up here for us all to read?

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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: mickey]
      #14366 - 06/05/04 02:06 AM

Email it to me and I will put it up

Nitro@NitroExpress.com



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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: NitroX]
      #14368 - 06/05/04 03:05 AM

Email is on the way!

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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: HawaiiPD]
      #14374 - 06/05/04 06:09 AM

Thank you for your replies. On the barrel is written
470 NE 500 GRAIN BULLET, on the barrle flats is written
470 NP and some numbers like 3120 indicating proof pressure.

I have a question on snap caps. I have ordered nickle plated brass ones for Century Arms in Ozzy. I there an advantage or disadvantage over using the common American available aluminum ones? I think my gun has ejectors, but since I have not pulled the triggers on the empty chambers, the gun only extracts the unprimed cases that I put in. Should the ejectors eject cases only after pulling the triggers and opening the gun to reload?

I also ordered a buffalo horn striker block that is used
to "let down" the firing pins against it when the gun is
broken down into the three component pieces. (the barrel,
the forend, and the breech) I have read that this is
another proper way to let down the firing pins which leads
to my next inquiry. Will the barrel fit back onto the breech
after the firing pins have been let down?

I did notice that to build a double gun must be devilishly
hard to do. Both barrels are tapered from the breech to the
muzzle and is connected by the full length rib that is
used to join these two barrels. The rib then must be
concave at the barrel joints and be tapered from the breech
to the muzzle also. To be soldered together the tolerances
and construction of the center rib is monumental compared to
the enginering and build of a bolt gun.

On inspection of the chamber area when the gun is open I can
see that the "Purdy third bite", that is located between the
barrels is made of a different piece of metal than the rib.
There are no joints between these pieces only in an oblique
light one can see the difference in the types of steel used.

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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: HawaiiPD]
      #14383 - 06/05/04 11:16 AM

Order your snap caps from thse folks! A_Z Metal
Their snap caps are full length dummy rounds with very good plactic area for pins to hit. You can practice your reloading with them!

If you had ejectors they would throw what ever was in the fired barrel out. Yours could be just an extractor rifle and that's OK too!

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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: HawaiiPD]
      #14384 - 06/05/04 11:24 AM

I believe the Wm. Douglas rifles are ejectors.

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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: HawaiiPD]
      #14388 - 06/05/04 11:40 AM

Aloha!

Nice to see one more Hawaiian on the forum

Sounds like a very nice rifle.

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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: Rusty]
      #14390 - 06/05/04 11:59 AM

Reloading article added

Reloadng NE article



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Re: William Douglass 470 [Re: NitroX]
      #14737 - 14/05/04 04:59 AM

I have always believed that myth of rt. lft. regulation with double rifles..

So at the request of Butch searcy I tried it out on all the doubles I could get my hands on and found it didn't make a bit of difference either way...

So I take back all those posts to the contrary that I have posted over the years, it just ain't so, at least so far.......another double rifle myth exploded!!

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HawaiiPD's William Douglass 470 photos [Re: HawaiiPD]
      #14898 - 18/05/04 02:47 AM

HawaiiPD's William Douglass .470 double photos











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Re: HawaiiPD's William Douglass 470 photos [Re: NitroX]
      #14921 - 18/05/04 10:58 AM

Very nice. Do you have a picture of the whole rifle?

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