Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: Montana Rifle Company...

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***

Shooting & Reloading - Mausers, Big Bores and others >> Big Bore Rifles

Pages: 1 | 2 | >> (show all)
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Montana Rifle Company...
      #146566 - 24/11/09 01:35 PM

Read a story in this in the Dec/Jan issue of Field and Stream...David Petzal..had good things to say --personally don't kmow a whole lot about them...

http://www.montanarifleco.com/index.html

Sent an email--they said the Chrome moly actions would be available in 4 or 5 months--stainless around 9..

Ripp

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Ripp]
      #146569 - 24/11/09 01:42 PM

Attached is the email I got from Jeff..

Ripp




The Chrome Moly actions are in final production now so I would say you could have one within the next 4-5 months but the SS will be about 9 months before I can get you one. The pricing for the PH actions is SS $1006 and $CM $940.
Jeff


Jeff Sipe, President
Montana Rifle Company
3174 MT Highway 35
Kalispell, MT 59901
406-756-4867
406-756-4874 FAX
www.montanarifleco.com

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Charles_Helm
.333 member


Reged: 09/11/05
Posts: 337
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Ripp]
      #147139 - 04/12/09 03:26 AM

I believe his supplier for firing pins went bankrupt and he is unable to source them. Looking for another supplier based on his postings on another board.

--------------------
Some pictures from Namibia

Some pictures from Zimbabwe

An Elephant Story


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
500grains
.416 member


Reged: 16/02/04
Posts: 4732
Loc: Salt Lake City, Utah USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #147144 - 04/12/09 03:39 AM

Although I would prefer a real Mauser design rather than a bastardized Mauser / Model 70 / Sako setup, it still seems like a pretty good offering at a reasonable price.



Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
BlainSmipy
.375 member


Reged: 24/11/05
Posts: 558
Loc: Washington, USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: 500grains]
      #147230 - 05/12/09 06:37 AM

Quote:

Although I would prefer a real Mauser design rather than a bastardized Mauser / Model 70 / Sako setup, it still seems like a pretty good offering at a reasonable price.






You can buy 1909 Argentinan mauser's all day long from SARCO.

--------------------
You horde gold, I horde lead.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Altamaha
.333 member


Reged: 29/12/08
Posts: 376
Loc: Washington State USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #147259 - 05/12/09 01:52 PM

Quote:

I believe his supplier for firing pins went bankrupt and he is unable to source them. Looking for another supplier based on his postings on another board.





Verrrrrryyyy Interesting.
I have two Montana actions (Magnum Bolt Face, long magazine, not the PH) I bought way back when they were first introduced. Have not yet decided what to do with them.

Anyway, not too much to making a firing pin. If this is what is holding up the PH actions it is sort of embarassing to a machining guy like me.

This strikes me as strange.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Altamaha]
      #147287 - 06/12/09 03:21 AM

Altamaha


As you have 2 in your possession, what do you think of the quality??

thx

Ripp

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Altamaha
.333 member


Reged: 29/12/08
Posts: 376
Loc: Washington State USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Ripp]
      #147294 - 06/12/09 04:33 AM

Quality is not bad for an investment cast action. Needs lapping of the raceways, a general polishing, the usual truing of the front receiver ring, and other things we do when building a nice rifle. Floorplate and triggerguard is not as good as a Williams, but OK. Basically, M98 style breeching, no extractor cut required as in the M70.

I wish they had stayed with the Mauser type bolt release. Easier to operate.

Barrel threads are 1"-16, should have been 1-1/16"-16. But with the 1" shank, you can use a pre threaded push feed M70 barrel, or a Ruger barrel. In fact, I have a No. 1 Ruger 458 barrel, unfired, with ramp and sights, that I am thinking of putting on one of the Montana actions. Just takes a little lathe work to fit the barrel up properly for indexing and headspace. Maybe run my 458 Lott reamer in the barrel also.

Think I have a photo somewhere of this arrangment, will post later.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Charles_Helm
.333 member


Reged: 09/11/05
Posts: 337
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Altamaha]
      #147335 - 06/12/09 04:59 PM

This is the info behind my post about the firing pins:


Quote:

Originally posted by MontanaJeff:
Well, Good news, bad news. Bad news is the company that was making our Firing pins went out of business and the company that bought the assets can't find what they did with them or my tooling that I paid for to make them. So..it looks like the attorney will have to change from trying to get my parts to just getting the money back...which let's be honest I have a snowballs chance in hell of getting anything back on that.

The good news is that I have two companies that have quoted me on them and one of them should be sending me first article soon and I have a third (thanks Rusty) that is looking at prints to quote me on those as well as a couple other parts I'll need before long.

Keep your fingers crossed (and a little prayer would be nice) this all goes well and we can start getting some more PH's out.

I will try to keep you informed as we go along but if I don't get on here soon enough I am sure one or 60 of you will call and let me know.
Thanks Guys!
Jeff




Quote:

Originally posted by MontanaJeff:
Well, 2 of the 3 machining companies cannot make the pins and still waiting on first article from another. I am putting the pins back out for bid to three other companies as well.




--------------------
Some pictures from Namibia

Some pictures from Zimbabwe

An Elephant Story


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ejfudd
.224 member


Reged: 25/04/07
Posts: 6
Loc: connecticut, usa
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #148282 - 18/12/09 09:05 AM

I called MRC today and the firing pin issue continues, word is that the Chrome Moly actions are assembled and ready to go pending the firing pins.

Does anyone have any ideas on where to go for drop box/trigger bow release bottom metal for this action when delivered? Blackburn lists a Mag Mauser triggerguard that could perhaps be modified to fit the MRC PH action.

--------------------
JLE


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Squarebridge
.300 member


Reged: 21/08/08
Posts: 129
Loc: Tennessee
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: ejfudd]
      #149705 - 07/01/10 05:05 AM

I don't know - I just look at that action and all I can think is "nice try". The surface is so wavy it makes me queasy.

To me it's neither fish nor fowl. I can see it making a nice American sporting rifle that would have used a model 70 action. But a double square bridge model 70? Does not compute at all. Plus the bridges are too low and diminutive to have the right look. Now their regular model 70 action is just fine, if you want to build a model 70. Personally I have no interest in them.

Like BlainSmipy says, you can still get the real deal for less than half the price of this action. I wish any American firearms company the very best, but this action seems like a solution to a problem that noone has.

And if they can make that action, but they can't tool up and whip out a few dozen firing pins so that they can fill orders that guys are waiting patiently for? I don't know...that feels odd to me. Their website has lots of photos of all the various parts being machined from billets - maybe the photos are from subcontractors.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Altamaha
.333 member


Reged: 29/12/08
Posts: 376
Loc: Washington State USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Squarebridge]
      #149714 - 07/01/10 06:38 AM

I agree, the firing pin issue has me totally without words. I could whip up the darn things on my old 9 inch South Bend Lathe that I inherited from my dad!!!!

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
JabaliHunter
.400 member


Reged: 16/05/07
Posts: 1958
Loc: England
Re: Montana 1999 SS Actions - WARNING [Re: Altamaha]
      #154652 - 24/02/10 05:04 AM

Just received this a moment ago (23rd Feb 2010) - assume it is ok to post, but please delete if not... It is the NRA in the UK by the way...

Quote:

National Rifle Association

Prohibition Notice

MONTANA 1999 RIFLES IN STAINLESS STEEL

In October 2009 there was an incident at Bisley when a Montana 1999 action made in stainless steel suffered a breech explosion and catastrophic failure of the front receiver ring. Fortunately, nobody was seriously hurt. The NRA has carried out a technical investigation on the rifle, including obtaining a metallurgical analysis.

As a consequence of this incident and pending full consideration of the information generated by the NRA's investigation, *the use of stainless steel Montana 1999 actions on Bisley ranges is prohibited until further notice*.

The NRA will pass its concerns to the manufacturer and is in communication with the Birmingham Proof House. The prohibition will be reconsidered in the light of any advice received from these two sources.

Owners of Montana firearms with such actions are invited to supply contact details to the Secretary General so that the NRA can pass on any advice with minimum delay.

It is emphasised that this prohibition applies only to stainless steel Montana 1999 actions. Montana actions made in 4140 CrMo steel are not included in this prohibition.




Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Altamaha
.333 member


Reged: 29/12/08
Posts: 376
Loc: Washington State USA
Re: Montana 1999 SS Actions - WARNING [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #154679 - 24/02/10 12:46 PM

My O My.

Poor 'ol MRC is just smitten with bad luck and Murphy rolled into one package.

I think I will dig out my two M99's and take a look, and maybe a photo to post here. My recollection is they look a lot better than the one in the above photo. They are from the first run way back, so maybe a lot has changed with the M99's since then. Luckily they are 4140, not SS. Both have been silently sleeping in their shipping boxes for many years.

If anyone does not know this already, The MRC PH has generated 4 pages of cussing and discussing over on the AR site.

I think Jeff at MRC has had a lot of trouble with partners falling out, not enough capital, problems with suppliers and a whole host of other problems. Hope he gets through this storm.

I still believe he is short on machining knowledge, although he may have some savy in developing a product. I think a good gunbuilder with an industrial machining background could help him out a lot, it sure looks like whomever he is dealing with for machining and the firing pin issue is pulling a real scam job on his company.

Back to the SS issue, wonder if he is accomplishing X-Ray and Ultrasonic inspections on the actions? Sure would be a good idea, considering the potential liability if one lets go. Remember, the actions are investment castings, not machined from the solid, so hidden flaws can develop in the casting.

I would sure like to see a photo of the failed action.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
500Nitro
.450 member


Reged: 06/01/03
Posts: 7244
Loc: Victoria, Australia
Re: Montana 1999 SS Actions - WARNING [Re: Altamaha]
      #154682 - 24/02/10 12:56 PM



The question is, did it passed proof in the UK
or was it taken into the UK for competition purposes only ?


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
450_366
.400 member


Reged: 17/01/07
Posts: 1068
Loc: Sweden, west-coast.
Re: Montana 1999 SS Actions - WARNING [Re: 500Nitro]
      #154704 - 24/02/10 07:57 PM

I cant get it, is there really a market for those actions?
They are not cheap or well built, and you could get a hva or mauser for a tenth of the cost.
If building a heavy DG rifle, would anyone use them instead of a proper magnum 98 action or similar.

And i know they are not stainless, stainless is a metall used for boats and butchers.

--------------------
Andreas

"Yeas it kicks like a mule he said, but always remember that its much worse standing on the other end"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Altamaha
.333 member


Reged: 29/12/08
Posts: 376
Loc: Washington State USA
Re: Montana 1999 SS Actions - WARNING [Re: 450_366]
      #154732 - 25/02/10 03:20 AM

I have followed the Montana Actions since the initial design.

The original intent was to produce a cheap investment cast action, similar to the Ruger, with a combination of features from M70 Winchester, M98 Mauser and the Sako actions.

They were plagued with production problems at the start. I purchased two of the long action M99's in 4140, still have not used them. I also ordered two of the PH actions, but gave up many years ago. I was lucky and did not include payment with my order for the PH's, at the time payment was required at time of shipment. Good thing I never paid, if you read the posts on the AR site you will see that many paid for the actions but have never received them, after many years of waiting. And at no time have I received an update from MRC on the status of my order, or a request for payment! Some of the gents that paid for the actions are requesting a refund, but the requests are being ignored. This is a real odd way to run a business, especially in todays age of instant email communication.

Prices have gone much higher than the amount I paid a long time ago for the two M99's.

Is this action better than a Mauser or M70? Not in my thinking. Is there a market for this action? Yes, but at a lower price than now requested. IMHO they are just not worth the cost and wait, if they ever are in full production.

MRC has been plagued with underfunding from the start, and some of the original owners/investors bailed out. The current owner/manager is very strained financially after buying out others and trying to fund the contract machining. His story is the CNC shops he contracted with for some of the parts (firing pins in particular) have gone bankrupt or closed down, the tooling was lost or sold to others, and he cannot obtain firing pins. As I am a retired machinist, I find this story hard to believe. Firing pins do not require any complicated CNC tooling. In the 4 months since I heard of the firing pin issue, I could have made 500 in my home shop with my manual lathes and milling machine!! It is not rocket science or brain surgery. And I know of two CNC shops here in the Pacific NW that have firearms experience that are looking for work, either one could crank out 500 firing pins in a couple of weeks at most.

I do not enjoy slamming a company like MRC, their original idea was very good. But, in a sense MRC deserves criticism for the manner in which they have addressed production problems and more importantly in the manner in which they treat their customers.

Maybe I should not barrel my two M99's, just keep them for collectors items. At the rate the company is going, the actions will not be produced much longer.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
86thecat
.224 member


Reged: 14/07/05
Posts: 46
Loc: Black Hills SD, USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Squarebridge]
      #157764 - 29/03/10 01:34 PM

Quote:


Like BlainSmipy says, you can still get the real deal for less than half the price of this action.





If you know where to get 3.6" Mauser actions with 3 position safety and magnum bottom metal for half the cost of a Montana magnum action, I'm all ears.
The magnum actions may be their niche.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
hubel458
.375 member


Reged: 13/02/04
Posts: 649
Loc: Brinton,MI-USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: 86thecat]
      #157769 - 29/03/10 02:52 PM

The thing of it is the PHs are not measley 3.6" actions but 4.05".
Here is pic of first one out, that I have my 700H 3.25"
cartridge in. In pic it shows case being fed into chamber.

They are starting to deliver more as the firing
pins have started coming in from mfg and heat treating.Ed



--------------------
Ed Hubel


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
86thecat
.224 member


Reged: 14/07/05
Posts: 46
Loc: Black Hills SD, USA
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: hubel458]
      #157772 - 29/03/10 04:18 PM

It's good to hear that Montana is getting things sorted out and shipping the PH actions. Don't have a horse in that race, but almost bought in on the initial offer as the price was very attractive. Have followed the progress and it looks like a lot of folks have waited patiently for their actions. Hope all the orders get shipped soon and wish Montana success.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
JDD
.224 member


Reged: 22/09/04
Posts: 39
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: 86thecat]
      #158235 - 05/04/10 05:08 AM

I had a 1999 in 375 H&H with a MRC barrel that was a true 1/2 moa rifle out past 300 yards with the 270 Barnes TSX loaded with either RL 15 or Varget. Smooth as silk and fouled less than any other barrel I had include all the top end customs. It was very effective rifle in Namibia.

I was one of the first to put up money on the Ph. My action is ready and should be barreled by them next week in 505 Gibbs. I am trying to get every thing put together by 4/24/2010 for a little yearly shoot in Houston. Its going in a MPI CZ 550 mag stock built extra heavy ( I will be doing the finishing and hope I can get her done in time).

There is something fishy about the whole NRA ban. First its the English version of the NRA (no ties to the US club) banning a US maker with no details. I have heard it was factory ammo, I have heard it was reloads, I want to know how many times the rifle has been fired before the failure with out problems.

Nobody goes to a national completion with a unproven rifle. Why would it fail then, what changed?

I spoke to Jeff (president of MRC) He wants to get to the bottom of this but is not getting access to the action. He has seen photo's of the rifle and case. The case head exploded, the top of the receiver ring blew out, the bolt and locking lugs held. Higher than normal psi must have been involved. He told me that the rifle had been proofed, if the rifle had been repeatedly shot before to the completion head space problems would have made themselves known. It does not added up that its the action fault, based on what I know of completion shooters prepping for a big completion and ammo problems both factory and reloads.


I do not know the event,are their loads required for the completion, If so could some one be trying to avoid blame?

I do not know Jeff personally ,and have only spoken to him 3 times, my impression is that he is a stand up guy.


JD


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Mike_Bailey
.400 member


Reged: 26/02/07
Posts: 2289
Loc: GB
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: JDD]
      #158240 - 05/04/10 05:34 AM

1/2 MOA at 300yds +, where do you live ? I need lessons, best, Mike

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
JDD
.224 member


Reged: 22/09/04
Posts: 39
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #158256 - 05/04/10 11:08 AM

Mike I live in New Orleans Louisiana.

I use to shoot those little chicken pig turkeys and ram every weekend, and high power shilo once or twice a year. I got lucky and won A class one year at Winsborough La in rim fire ( almost as good as winning the nationals). I made the governors team in high power every year I shot. I took second at the top gun event at fort Polk la in 03 or 04 (I really won it but they got creative with the scoring to make sure a local man got the first place price a CZ manlicher in 22 rim fire).

I haven't shot since hurricane Katrina but hope to get back to it soon.

Thanks for asking

JD


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Mike_Bailey
.400 member


Reged: 26/02/07
Posts: 2289
Loc: GB
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: JDD]
      #158265 - 05/04/10 04:24 PM

Amazing JDD, I would love to be able to do that. What is a "shilo" ? Sorry for ignorance, best, Mike

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
kamilaroi
.400 member


Reged: 18/12/04
Posts: 1803
Loc: sydney, new south wales, Austr...
Re: Montana Rifle Company... [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #158268 - 05/04/10 05:49 PM

Shiloh Sharps perhap? (and a barrel maker?)

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1 | 2 | >> (show all)



Extra information
0 registered and 54 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:   

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 15377

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved