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Schauckis
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Building on a 98 Mauser
#145908 - 15/11/09 03:40 AM

OK,

GOt some more info on this.
If I've understood correctly, the largest cartridge that can fit a standard Mauser 98 action is a .404 Jeffery/.425 WR, is this right? The rifle is chambered for 8x57.

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: Schauckis]
#145911 - 15/11/09 05:47 AM

Some time ago, there ws an article in a Rifle or Handloader (probably Rifle magazine) in which a 98 was re-barreled and set up for the .505 Gibbs. The drop-box magazine held 3 rounds, in a vertical stack with a U shaped support welded to the middle of the mag follower. The action was opened a tich at the front end and at the back, I think.

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: DarylS]
#145920 - 15/11/09 08:27 AM

Can't imagine the amount of work involved in opening up a standard action to accommodate the 505 but a 500 Jeffery is commonly done.
I would go for a 404 Jeff or the 425 Westley. Making an authentic drop mag for the 425 would be neat.

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: Huvius]
#145982 - 16/11/09 03:56 AM

The 416 Rigby was also done but as Huvius said the 404 or 425 is probably the best of the big bore for the standard length 98.
I did mine in 404 and couldn,t be more pleased.

Von Gruff.

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: VonGruff]
#146024 - 16/11/09 12:09 PM

Ray Ordorica wrote an excellent article in Gun Digest many years ago about building a 416 Rigby rifle on a standard Mauser action. He talked to the Rigby company (then owned by Paul Roberts) and was told that Rigby had performed the conversion but had then moved away from it as better choices were subsequently available.

I am no gunsmith myself as everyone here knows but I enjoyed reading the article. Anyone itnerested would do well to trace it - it is a lovely read.

Good hunting!

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: DarylS]
#146028 - 16/11/09 12:15 PM

Quote:

Some time ago, there ws an article in a Rifle or Handloader (probably Rifle magazine) in which a 98 was re-barreled and set up for the .505 Gibbs. The drop-box magazine held 3 rounds, in a vertical stack with a U shaped support welded to the middle of the mag follower. The action was opened a tich at the front end and at the back, I think.

Darryl
I read that same article and yes, that is how I remember it as well--

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: Ripp]
#146039 - 16/11/09 01:42 PM

famous hunter selbly had a 416 rigby by rigby on a standard action the gun is well documented and well used...paul

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TNHillbilly
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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: pjaln]
#146859 - 28/11/09 12:48 PM

Anyone have a link to the above mentioned article/s on building either a 404 or 416 Rigby on a standard length Mauser 98?

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: TNHillbilly]
#146860 - 28/11/09 01:25 PM

Whilst it is possible to build a 416 Rigby on a standard length action it is not considered best practice for the following reasons.

It reqires removal of not insignificant ammounts of material fron the rear of the bottom bolt lug.Which compromises the strength of the action.
It requires removal of material from the bolt stop and contributes to "bolt wobble" and possible bind.
I requires a complete rebuild or replacment of the mag bottom metal.
Often it requires a cut in the rear top of the reciever ring again a strength issue.

The strength issue was less important when "handloading" was relitivly uncommon, as the manufactures could be reasonably certain that they could determine the stresses to which their rifle would be subjected. In the modern age of litigation and handloaders, for a company to compromise the strength of an origional design and then sell it to the public, would be a recipe for disaster. I cannot think of a respectable company that would do it.

It is not cost effective. If one employs a gunmaker suficiently talented to carry out the work correctly, the cost will exceed that of purchasing a 98 Magnum action of the correct size.

The best 416 for a standard 98 is the 416 Taylor which deserves I think to be far more popular than it is and to be factory "legitimised".

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TNHillbilly
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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: Bramble]
#146861 - 28/11/09 01:43 PM

Thank you for the informative reply. Does the classic 404 or 500 Schuler also require removing so much metal from the action?

I don't like the idea of removing steel from the 98, just to make it marginal as a big bore.

I've been looking around the site trying to learn about big bore M98's. Now I've to learn about the 416 Taylor too.

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: TNHillbilly]
#146864 - 28/11/09 02:31 PM

404 Jeffery. Classic on a 98. Really the all around big game caliber.

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TNHillbilly
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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: 88MauSporter]
#146867 - 28/11/09 02:56 PM

Hi 88MauSporter,
Is the .404Jeffery basically a rebarrel and remagazine proposition on the 98? I'm looking into how to make a "poor-boy" but period styled bigbore out of an ex-Gew imported to the USA recently. I do not intend to sporterize any rifle still in military configuration.
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ozhunter
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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: TNHillbilly]
#146876 - 28/11/09 09:14 PM

I'm having a 404 built on a Brno M98 with a Walther barrel and Recknagel Mag and sights.
Sound metal products in the USA offer the bottom metal also.

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: TNHillbilly]
#146877 - 28/11/09 11:07 PM

Quote:

Anyone have a link to the above mentioned article/s on building either a 404 or 416 Rigby on a standard length Mauser 98?

Listen to Bramble.

One can remove the boltstop with 1.5mm further back, which could give you a little extra. I considered once the .450Rigby because Normas cartridges is 92.5mm oal only.

There is an artical in Gun Digest 1997, of one who does a .416Rigby on a standard length M98 action. Its a good long artical that informs the problems involved.

Edited by rigbymauser (28/11/09 11:08 PM)

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Re: Building on a 98 Mauser [Re: rigbymauser]
#146908 - 29/11/09 10:03 AM

Thank you all for tolerating my newbie questions! These forums are most informative and loaded with great ideas and data.

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