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Westley375
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Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t
      #144551 - 27/10/09 02:21 PM

Just got back from a Dangerous Game Safari in Zimbabwe with Chifuti Safari. Had a great time. But I can't for the life of me see why anyone would shoot a Buff with anything other than classic Double rifle. Barring some eye issues....shooting a Buffalo at 75 plus yard with a scoped rifle is not in the remotely close to being challenging. Might as well shoot a cow in some Farmers field. Even a 16 year old girl shot a 40" Buffalo with a scoped 375 !! I was within 75 yards of Buffalo nearly every day and took one at 50 yrds with a 470NE DR. (deleted)

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: Westley375]
      #144556 - 27/10/09 03:08 PM

I've heard the expression 'shooting a milk cow in a kraal' used to describe shooting both African Buff and Asiatic Water Buffalo.

When I finally do get my first buff and a Lot more knowledge about them, it will be interesting to form an opinion as to what is myth and what is true.

PS That is why I had express sights fitted to my 9.3x62. To hunt Buff, up close and personal

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: tophet1]
      #144562 - 27/10/09 05:25 PM

Westley 375

I’m not quite sure what the problem is with shooting buffalo or any other dangerous game with something other than a double, with a scope, or at any reasonable range that the shot must be taken at the time. After all the “real men” you speak of, and I assume you are referring to Bell, Taylor, Hunter etc, all took dangerous game with doubles, magazines and single shot firearms, using scopes on some of them, and at the various ranges that they found the game at. They all spoke of close encounters and charges not being the norm for their hunting but of course considering the huge numbers of game of all sorts that they shot, it was inevitable that they did face some dangerous situations and charges.

Now days of course you don’t usually get the opportunity to shoot in amongst the herds where you are more likely to have a dangerous encounter, or face wounded animals that will charge. In fact PHs probably discourage this as they don’t want animals wounded unnecessarily due to cost and possible danger to themselves and their clients.

While I have not hunted Africa, I have hunted buffalo in Australia before the “trophy” times and was able to get amongst the herds and in close to plenty of beasts. Some I took at 10 feet or so and some at 50 odd yards with an open sighted Mauser 404. A mixture of bulls and cows were taken over a weeks hunting and all meat was recovered for pet meat. Wild buffalo herds with cows and calves can be as dangerous to be amongst as any animal. The big old Aussie buffalo bulls also show an arrogant and aggressive attitude too, much like I understand the African buffalo do. So no flies on my neighbour’s dangerous game and the country up there is as tough or even tougher than Africa in parts.

I think the most important part of any hunting is enjoying the stalk and taking an animal cleanly under whatever conditions you find yourself in.

My humble thoughts anyway

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: eagle27]
      #144567 - 27/10/09 06:12 PM

Come on guys drop the machco crap and do it like real men did and still do.

Well did you yourself consider doing it alone to make it all more kosher IE without a back up?

Or is it a "must" by law to have a guide as back up?

Here`s an idea,take a Ruger num 1 in a suitable calibre and a few extra crackers in your fore end hand,now that will be even better!

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500Nitro
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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: gryphon]
      #144568 - 27/10/09 06:22 PM


Having done both (Open sighted Double, Open sighted Bolt Action and Scoped Rifle), it is definately easier with a scoped rifle, no too ways about it.

Except when you are in the middle of a herd of cows and calves
and I will agree with the above comment that they can be really dangerous, if not more so than other buff. But as he also says, Big, trophy buffalo have an attitude all to themselves sometimes.

Getting up close to Aust Bulls can be a problem on flood plains.

Anyway, each to their own.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: 500Nitro]
      #144569 - 27/10/09 07:13 PM

Chris,
Noticed your a Trout guy, Do you fish with a modern rod such as a SAGE or do you use an old cane rod? If both, do you not find it enjoyable with ether rod?
Ive enjoyed hunting a few Cape Buffalo with both scoped and non scoped rifles. However, even within eighty meters a scope minimizes f%&^$ ups such as wounding which is quite easy when hunting the thick stuff.
Your point about "Mucho crap" has me a little puzzled though???
In saying that, I still do agree with you that hunting with open sights is a treat.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: eagle27]
      #144571 - 27/10/09 07:57 PM

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After all the “real men” you speak of, and I assume you are referring to Bell, Taylor, Hunter etc,



This talk of real men makes me think of that song by Elvis Costello. Someone told me Taylor may have used a cricket bat, too, playing for some obscure team like Athens.

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Kalunga
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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: Paul]
      #144589 - 28/10/09 02:33 AM

Don`t forget to let the animal decide, how he`s gonna die !

Kalunga

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peter
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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: Kalunga]
      #144593 - 28/10/09 03:54 AM

kalunga

you crack me up, thanks i needed that

best

peter

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Ripp
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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: ozhunter]
      #144595 - 28/10/09 04:10 AM

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Your point about "Mucho crap" has me a little puzzled though???
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Not me--another legend has been created... fortunately, he is the only one that knows it..

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: Westley375]
      #144597 - 28/10/09 04:47 AM

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and took one at 50 yrds with a 470NE DR. Come on guys drop the machco crap and do it like real men did and still do.



(deleted) For some the cost of a classic double would mean no hunt, and for others eye problems preclude open sight use. In my book your opinion has no value.

Von Gruff.

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Edited by NitroX (29/10/09 02:36 AM)

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: VonGruff]
      #144603 - 28/10/09 06:56 AM

Glad to see this thread.

Since my retirement pension will not allow me to travel and hunt Cape buffalo, so when I win the lottery, I am going to go to Africa and really prove my real man manliness....and no double barrelled assualt rifle either....one animal, one shot from My 577 2 3/4 NE Greener Martini one shotter!! I'll even go so far as to take only one round!!!

Sarcasism fully intended!

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Westley375
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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t *DELETED* [Re: VonGruff]
      #144604 - 28/10/09 07:03 AM

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Edited by Westley375 (28/10/09 07:11 AM)

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Westley375
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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: Westley375]
      #144605 - 28/10/09 07:05 AM

P.S Iam not saying you must use a Double Rifle but at least take the glass off your Bolt Action Rifle and make it a true challenge

Edited by Westley375 (28/10/09 07:10 AM)

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: VonGruff]
      #144606 - 28/10/09 07:12 AM

1. I've got bad eyes, can't shoot open sights past 20 yards. Leupold cures that.
2. I've taken 3 buf; first one quit movin' at 3-4 yards. No, didn't need a scope, but he was in the jess and my Leupold set on 1.5 made him visible.

3. "Real men", eh? Where's your bloody spear. Or, how 'bout an Assegai?

4. Last I looked, I could hunt buf a lot cheaper than buying a double.
5. And, yeah, I hunt with a Ruger #1 in .458 Lott. (photo on demand.)
6. You really want to dance - let's go get an elephant up close and personal. I shot mine at under 30 yards, and yes, he was giving me the evil eye when I did.

I agree with VonGruff, only I'd say "egotistical". But I wouldn't call you a prick - no, I wouldn't. I might say "expletive deleted" because I'm not a real "Macho" man.

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Edited by NitroX (29/10/09 02:45 AM)

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: poprivit]
      #144609 - 28/10/09 08:35 AM

Westley375, what's your problem ? Mike

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t *DELETED* [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #144610 - 28/10/09 08:44 AM

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: 500Nitro]
      #144611 - 28/10/09 09:18 AM

Man!
With this thread going and the OSR thread going, seems the elk aren't the only animals in rut!

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: VonGruff]
      #144612 - 28/10/09 09:19 AM

Quote:

Quote:

and took one at 50 yrds with a 470NE DR. Come on guys drop the machco crap and do it like real men did and still do.



(deleted) For some the cost of a classic double would mean no hunt, and for others eye problems preclude open sight use. In my book your opinion has no value.

Von Gruff.



And the second ignorant comment just confirmed it.

(deleted)

Edited by NitroX (29/10/09 02:44 AM)

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: Huvius]
      #144614 - 28/10/09 10:10 AM

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Man!
With this thread going and the OSR thread going, seems the elk aren't the only animals in rut!





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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: Huvius]
      #144624 - 28/10/09 02:30 PM

Quote:

Man!
With this thread going and the OSR thread going, seems the elk aren't the only animals in rut!





Ya think???
What the hell?? Is it full moon or what??

500Nitro

Don't blame this on Montana..

Ripp

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: Ripp]
      #144627 - 28/10/09 03:28 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Man!
With this thread going and the OSR thread going, seems the elk aren't the only animals in rut!





Ya think???
What the hell?? Is it full moon or what??

500Nitro

Don't blame this on Montana..

Ripp




Sorry Ripp, just happened to see where he was from when reading his BS and thought it was appropriate - for him only !!!

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: 500Nitro]
      #144632 - 28/10/09 05:14 PM

Come on Westley you took one at 50 yards with your 470NE double and suddenly you are the man and anyone using a scope or anything other than a double is not a hunter.

A 50 yard range shot with a large double is certainly cutting down the odds. As mentioned earlier I shot buffs at 10 feet with a bolt action, only three all up in the Mauser, and I'm left handed and wear glasses. Our "guide" at the time, a pet meat shooter carried a 338 Win Mag (only head shot animals from his vehicle when going about his normal business) and he wouldn't go into the scrub after buff as my companion and I did on our own.

I don't consider myself any better than anyone else, just shot straight and had great faith in the time tested 404J.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t [Re: eagle27]
      #144638 - 28/10/09 08:53 PM

Zim has high buffalo densities and some thick bush. I wonder if W375 would feel the same hunting in more open country and not following herd but seeking out more solitary bulls or small groups. If I've misjudged the machismo crap thing and all W375 is saying is that sniping buffalo from afar is not as sporting as working in very close, I agree! The thrill of buffalo and DG is lessened dramatically by distance.

Edited by JabaliHunter (28/10/09 11:32 PM)

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Re: Cape Buffalo Bulls#*t *DELETED* [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #144644 - 28/10/09 11:00 PM

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