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mickey
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Help identifying a rifle
#144441 - 26/10/09 12:03 PM

I was looking at a single shot marked Holland and Holland. it is a falling block but has a lever on the side to drop the block instead of an underlever.

external hammer

By pulling the trigger with the block down the block will automatically raise and the the hammer fall.

Any ideas and is this a strong enough system for a 45-70?

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Huvius
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Re: Help identifying a rifle [Re: mickey]
#144443 - 26/10/09 12:30 PM

Sounds like a Field's patent rifle. H&H did build a few and some of the H&H serial numbers are listed in Kirton's British falling block book on p.207.
Do you know the serial nuber?
Looks like many were chambered in .303 but the larger bore rifles look to be in BP express chamberings. I would think that when loaded within reason, it would surely handle 45/70. Is it not barreled now or is it "shot out"?

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AkMike
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Re: Help identifying a rifle [Re: mickey]
#144459 - 26/10/09 02:03 PM

I wonder if it's a Deely-Edge pat. action. I have an 1883 pat. rifle that is operated this way. But alas mine was built by Westly-Richards not H&H.

If you'll pm me your email I can send pics of mine for you to compare.

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mickey
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Re: Help identifying a rifle [Re: AkMike]
#144466 - 26/10/09 05:15 PM

This is a rifle that has a 45-70 barrel on it but it is not original to the rifle. It was a .40 caliber of some sort at one time.

The serial number and the rifle is in one of Armory Press's single shot books but I don't have a copy of that particular book.

I was wondering if it could be re chambered to a 450 3 1/4
NE

Price is right for a re chamber or just leaving it.

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AkMike
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Re: Help identifying a rifle [Re: mickey]
#144479 - 26/10/09 07:18 PM

I plan on haveing mine totally redone to a 375 flanged sporter.. Presantly it's a 500/450 WR #1 Carbine.. Basicly a 45 caliber rook rifle.

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Yukon577
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Re: Help identifying a rifle [Re: AkMike]
#145486 - 09/11/09 08:25 PM

I have two original Field's action sealing rifles in .450 3 1/4". I am sure they would handle a .45/70 without any trouble.
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Re: Help identifying a rifle [Re: Yukon577]
#145523 - 10/11/09 05:11 AM

Westley Richards had exclusive rights to the D&E patent. Now, H&H purchased Field actions from the Field rifle company to build rifles on (like Greener), so odds are it is a Field indeed.

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