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I believe there is an enthusiastic double rifle hunter on the net whom uses monometal bullets eg Barnes X, in his Chapuis 9.3x74R double and yes other persons whom have handled his rifle have said there is evidence of OSR. I have not seen the rifle but trust the guys whom have seen the rifle.

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I believe there is an enthusiastic double rifle hunter on the net whom uses monometal bullets eg Barnes X, in his Chapuis 9.3x74R double and yes other persons whom have handled his rifle have said there is evidence of OSR. I have not seen the rifle but trust the guys whom have seen the rifle.

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Gentlemen, one last thing here, and IMO this thread should die!
The whole thing that is debated here is one side declares the existence of OSR, and separating of ribs, and wedges caused by improperly made mono-metal bullets in DOUBLE RIFLES! In this 6 or 7 pages of tossing this back and forth, several examples of this phenomenon have been offered, and not one clear iota of proof that it doesn't exist has been offered, except apples to oranges comparisons, and biased opinion.

People who own doubles that have this damage have posted here, and most of us have posted about examples we have seen with our own eyes, yet we are commissioned in charge of showing proof, to the two people here who have not seen it, but they offer only single barrel rifles and chamber pressures in those rifles they have shot as proof that it doesn't exist.

It seems odd to me that dozens of long time collectors and shooters of double rifles all seem to know of this effect on double rifles, and the two who staunchly deny the existence of damage to double rifle by the use of improperly made Mono-metal bullets, are two people who have never even owned a double rifle, and I doubt either has ever even held one in their hands, or fired one in any caliber. Amazing! Yet they know all about what works in them, and what will, and will not damage them, and to what extent. Are these two to be believed while there are many right here on NE, and a hundred or so on AR who are aware of this effect on double rifles who seem to be mistaken in what they have seen. Perhaps they all had a joint nightmare! Nitro's post above is just one more example offered by our host here! Is he to be included in the disillusioned among us?

Gentlemen, this is not a unicorn, it is a well known real ANIMAL among the long time double rifle owners, collectors, and makers, and is always a thing a knowledgeable buyer looks for when buying a used double rifle, just like off face condition, or cordite burn, and loose ribs, which by the way, is also caused by the same thing, in most cases, as causes OSR. This phenomenon only bared it's ugly head about the time Mono-metal bullets arrived on the shooting seen, with a full 100 yrs of double rifle use before, with no OSR. That alone should tell a intelligent person there may be a connection, but not to everyone it seems.

................. I don't think we need sarcasm, but it seems at least one poster here seems to live for it. That is not needed in a debate, and those who use it are, most times, operating from a base built on quicksand!

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It'd be hard to crack the ribs loose on a single tubed rifle. Make it a double!

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People who own doubles that have this damage have posted here, and most of us have posted about examples we have seen with our own eyes, yet we are commissioned in charge of showing proof, to the two people here who have not seen it, but they offer only single barrel rifles and chamber pressures in those rifles they have shot as proof that it doesn't exist.

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This is one of those conversations that would sound a lot different and likely go much more smoothly and constructively if it took place over the benches in our collective machineshop and loading den.

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Help fill in a thicky, whats the difference between the X and the TSX ? thx, Mike

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Gents,
Not to drag this thread out again...but here goes!

I was just reading some old Kynoch adverts last night.
In their ad for the then new nickel based bullets (which I believe was the first use of a "gas check") they mention the high pressures encountered when using the "solid nickel bullet".

Now, this leads me to believe that perhaps this mono idea was attempted over a century ago with largely the same concerns arising then as there are now.

Just food for thought...

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Unfortunately we do not have anybody with past or present artillery ordnance education here?

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You may wish to contact the person posting under the handle "Andy" at AR and invite him to join in. Andy was an ordnance evaluator for Jane's Defence.

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500g, I have never been able to register on that forum. I'd love to but I can't. I've emailed Yemen or wherever that is many times, with not response and no fix. I have no idea why. As it is, I hope to have someone with several degrees in ordnance engineering on board soon. If you'd like to contact the "Andy" fellow please do. AR won't let me in.

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This is realy getting out of hand, why the heck is it so hard to try to argue reasonably.

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Beats me. This one is so pointless to begin with.

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I'm not sure if it's pointless as you'd be surprised how many people with doubles there are that have no idea of the possible problems in using some Mono bullets from their rifles.

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This is realy getting out of hand, why the heck is it so hard to try to argue reasonably.

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Beats me. This one is so pointless to begin with.

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I'm not sure if it's pointless as you'd be surprised how many people with doubles there are that have no idea of the possible problems in using some Mono bullets from their rifles.

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I'm acutely aware of that problem and you're absolutely right. I agree that, at this late date, that's disturbing and that discussion wouldn't be pointless at all, especially for a unique forum like this one, dedicated to double rifles! Indeed, that's what this string should have been about. Unfortunately, the OP, a non-double rifle shooter, began it with "It's a myth, prove it to me". So instead, we've dusted off the '80s debate and are now poised to conduct "tests" about an issue that was settled 20 years ago, and that IS utterly pointless. Worse, it obfuscates the more important aspect of dealing with the issue.

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400,
The double that you own which shows slight OSR on only one barrel, just wondering if both barrels were fired with monos, or only the one with visible OSR?

Also, can we please have some more details about this rifle, like the caliber and makers name?
Thanks.

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Gentlemen,

Please act like it. No need for any insults or insulting behaviour from anyone.

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Now you step in, where have you been, out hunting?

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Andreas -
And when slugging the barrel before were there any differences as to wear or whatever?

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