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Re: Finding Oberndorf Mausers in South America [Re: JACKEL]
      #150758 - 15/01/10 08:51 PM

I was looking in other old catalogs but find the 9x63 only in the steigleder. Ernst(ernesto for his south american friends)Steigleder had have his shop in the middle of berlin to being near of his gentleman customer's. he chamber rifle#s for a lot of unusual caliber's. also for the swedish 9,3x57 which is very rare in old german catalogs. I think that he was seeing a lot of foreign visitor's in his shop who came to berlin.
if the german 62-63 mm case have something to do with the US military round? it all starts with the 8x57I and IR and there was a lot of wildcating in this time. the 9,3x74R from 1904 is also a 8x57IR basic round. there are 8x75 and 8x75S cartridges. possible that they look on the 30 06 but not nessesary.

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Re: Finding Oberndorf Mausers in South America [Re: JACKEL]
      #150811 - 16/01/10 07:16 AM

Lancaster ubtil you posted that Steigleder catalog page the only other reference of this cartdrige I found is in the book Cartridges of the World ( cant remember the page ), It is described as 9x63 MILLER & GREISS. Other descriptions i found are 9x63 30degrees imporved, 9x63 Mauser. And at www.ch4d.com they have reloadin dies for all of the above.


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Re: Finding Oberndorf Mausers in South America [Re: JACKEL]
      #151168 - 19/01/10 11:58 PM

Hi Ernesto!

You can find Dixon book "European Sporting Cartridges" at the A.A.C.A.M..
There you can find two rimless 9x63mm cartridges:

9x63mm Miller & Greiss
9x63mm Mauser or M38 , circa 1906-Hessmer and 1910-Mauser (basado en el 8x57mm).


Hope this helps.
Martin

Edited by beleg2 (20/01/10 12:00 AM)

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Re: Finding Oberndorf Mausers in South America [Re: beleg2]
      #151171 - 20/01/10 12:42 AM

Thank you Martin, muchas gracias por su PM y por lo de la AACAM, en cuanto me haga de unas horas libres me doy una vuelta y consulto el libro al que usted hace referencia.



Un placer contactarme con usted.



Cordiales saludos.


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Re: Finding Oberndorf Mausers in South America [Re: JACKEL]
      #152957 - 06/02/10 05:58 AM

The 9x63 predates both the Steigleder catalog and the .35 Whelen by some years, it is even older than the 63mm case length of the .30-06! The cartridge was also named the 9x63 Florstedt , a widely publicized cartridge before WWI. An original cartridge I have seen had a longer neck than the 9.3x62, about like the 35 Whelen. A few years ago at a shooting range I met a man who happily sighted in his inherited Miller & Greiss 9x63 98 Mauser sporter with Remington .35 Whelen factory loads, his cases did not look unusually distorted. The cartridge/load was named for Alexander Florstedt,see photo, an early-1900s gentleman hunter and scribe, who hunted the Carpathian and Alpine mountains as well as those of Asia. The Carpathes as well as large parts of Poland and Ukraine were then part of the Austro- Hungarian empire.
In his book "Jagen in den Hochgebirgen Asiens und Siebenbuergens" he writes: "The 9x63 was first special order loaded for me by RWS with 3.5g = 54grs of powder and a light 23mm long bullet several years before the war/WW1. It was the best high-mountain-game cartridge of those days." Internal evidence in his writings points to 1903, when he got his rifle from Miller&Greiss in Munich. He does not give bullet weight or ballistics, but an contemporary RWS bullet catalog gives weights around 200 grs for 23mm bullets, from 185 to 215, depending on shape. So the .35 Whelen existed many years before Colonel Whelen or Mr.Howe invented it.



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Re: Finding Oberndorf Mausers in South America [Re: kuduae]
      #152968 - 06/02/10 08:17 AM

And then there are the .280 Remington and the 7X64, the 8mm-'06 and the 8X64, and the 6.5-.257 Roberts and the 6.5X57, in every case the Americans reinventing the wheel, with cartridges which are not interchangeable with their German prototypes, but with respect to case capacity and performance virtually identical.

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Re: Finding Oberndorf Mausers in South America [Re: xausa]
      #152985 - 06/02/10 12:59 PM

^ aka NIH syndrome. (Not invented here)

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Re: Finding Oberndorf Mausers in South America [Re: kamilaroi]
      #269075 - 09/08/15 06:40 AM

Resurrecting this old thread, just to add to the list of cartridge designs ripped off by the victors of ww1
The 6.7x63 was absolutely interchangeable with the 270 win. My late friend in Austria informed me that apart from differences in sighting, there is no difference at all, extraction of a fired case shows no changes. His family got rid of his and his fathers rifles and guns as if they were a plague, and I had no chance to make any offers after his passing, nor could I glean more info from the web. A search did turn up a drawing of a 6.5x63 that looks rather like the wildcat 6.5 06, but the 6.7x 63 remains elusive . It was designed by Neuber and Sohn circa 1911, also Austrian

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