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Rodders1
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Some ML Hogs
      #142837 - 29/09/09 02:16 AM

Thought I would share a few of my ML hogs!

As you can see, these were taken with my .58 cal Pedersoli African Express - like the kodiak express, with African sideplates!

Load was 100 grains of Sannadex Pistol Grade (this is a South African equivalent of Pyrodex) behind a 590 grain modified Minie Bullet.





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alexbeer
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: Rodders1]
      #142850 - 29/09/09 07:25 AM

Now that looks like fun. Well done!!

Alex

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degoins
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: alexbeer]
      #142852 - 29/09/09 08:31 AM

Congrats on the hogs.......and thanks for sharing!!!

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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: degoins]
      #142853 - 29/09/09 08:48 AM

Hi,
Well come.
Good to see you here.
Martin


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mehulkamdar
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: Rodders1]
      #142945 - 30/09/09 11:31 PM

Rodders1,

Very very nice! Welcome here and since you like downing porkers, if you have some South African recipes for us, they would also be much appreciated.

Very good hunting!

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PBR
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #142950 - 01/10/09 12:41 AM

Hi and welcome


How does the 58cal double shoot?
I've been wanting one (54 or 58) but have heard some bad reviews on the regulation.


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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: PBR]
      #142951 - 01/10/09 01:19 AM

Good shooting, Rodders.

PBR - The Kodiacks I've come across through the years run about 1 in 4 being useable right out of the box - with lots of load development, of course. Load development means trying various ball sizes, patch thicknesses and powder charges to attempt to get the barrels shooting together, closely enough to be useable.

Of course, Pedersoli puts two different rear sigths ont he rifle, one for each barrel, but one does desire to use one set of sights, not having to raise a different leaf for the 'other' barrel.

Forsyth recommended back in 1860, that the owner sight for the 'true' barrel and learn to hold for the bad one, rather than spitting the difference between the barrel's errors. This becomes a chore since the bad one in a Pedersoli, with descent hunting loads might be as my friend's .58 double, a full 12" left and 10" low at 75 yards. Difficult to hold for that.

He tried slugs, but found even with sugs that engrave firlay well at the muzzle, recoil from the right barrel would move the left slug off the powder some inch or slightly more with one shot and more, of course, with successive shots from the right barrel. He sticks now with patched round balls only and finds they not only shoot closer to the sights, but there is no movement of the non-shot barrel, even with successive shots from the right one.

Movement of the slug off the powder is BAD. It can cause a catostrophic barel failure that can take off your left hand- or right, if you are left handed. The barrels of these guns are not excessively heavy in the breech and have little 'over-built' strength in them. ML barrels tend to split lengthwise into bannana peels, blowing the locks off and forend down through your hand. Be careful- I recommend against shooting slugs in any double ML, that is, slugs that aren't cloth patched to hold them tightly against the powder. Since for a slug, that means some sort of picket ball as were popular in the States in the late 1800's with their inherent difficulty in accurate loading, I suggest only round balls be used in doubles.

Another friend sent his .58 double back to Pedersoi who re-barreled it and returned it to him. The new set of barrels shot well enough to be useful, only separating 5" at 100 yards (which means abotu a 10" group), not great, but still useable. He sighted for the right barrel, the left shooting 5" left with a 100gr. 2F GOEX hunting charge.

We don't use Pyrodex or other fake powders as they leave a corrosive fouling, which combined with moisture, becomes very agressive in nature. Too, Pyrodex loses power with age. As well, Pyrodex, as a rule, developes poorer accuracy than real BP. T7, I've found in my 14 bore rifle, becomes unstable, with pressure excursions when using heavy hunting loads. With proper tight ball/patch combinations and real BP, there is no fouling buildup in the barrel and sucessive shots are loaded as easily as the first.

Mink oil, as sold by www.trackofthewolf.com is a good hunting patch lube. Many other lubes are unsuitable as they contain water and may promote barrel cancer- ie: rust.

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PBR
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: DarylS]
      #142957 - 01/10/09 03:26 AM

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Good shooting, Rodders.

PBR - The Kodiacks I've come across through the years run about 1 in 4 being useable right out of the box - with lots of load development, of course.





WOW


Those aren't good odds. I hate buying used muzzleloaders, but that might be the only good way of buying one and that's IF the owner knows (and is honest) about how it shoots.


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Rodders1
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: PBR]
      #142964 - 01/10/09 05:10 AM

Hi.
The ratio seems a lot better here in SA, as a lot of guys seem to have pretty well regulated guns!
Here they are sold as unregulated however, not as regulated at 75 yards like I have seen them on Cabelas in the "States".

Mine was middle of the road! At forty yards the barrels shoot a dispersion of about an inch laterally, but three to four inches vertically. Not really good enough for hunting!

I worked on it for a while, and finally got the lateral dispersion sorted as follows.

In the right barrel i load a 590 grain modified minie bullet, chased by 100 grains of our local sub powder (not prefferred, but much easier to lay hands on). In the left barrel I load a 515 grain modified plains bullet (called the gamestalker, and manafactured and marketed by a company called Bushveld Muzzle Loading Supplies) also with 100 grains of powder. These shoot to exactly the same poi vertically, and group better than I can hold at 40 yards.

NB - the side by side double is not really intended for 100 metres, especially with the express style sights - I limit shots to about eighty yards! after all, thats the challenge of using a ML.

We in SA have no separate season for ML or conventional like they do in the "States" so the choice of using a ML is purely that - a choice!

My first hog with my double!


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degoins
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: Rodders1]
      #142977 - 01/10/09 08:02 AM

Maybe I was lucky, but my Kodiak .72 regulates perfectly at 30 yds with .715 patched round balls and 120 grs of Goex FFG. I bought mine new last year. I did change out that rear sight though.....shot high even folded all the way down. I didnt like the looks of it anyway. I put a Marbles #30 on it.

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JohnWilkes
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: Rodders1]
      #143110 - 04/10/09 09:19 AM

Great pics Rodders, I have always fancied one of those ML doubles but like others got put off by
the rather mixed reports on their performance here in Aussie.
PS Nice looking dog (Ridgeback?) Are you allowed to use dogs to hunt pig in your area I gather
it is not allowed under some game ordinance.

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Rodders1
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Re: Some ML Hogs [Re: JohnWilkes]
      #143120 - 04/10/09 06:35 PM

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PS Nice looking dog (Ridgeback?) Are you allowed to use dogs to hunt pig in your area I gather
it is not allowed under some game ordinance.




Hi - The dog is a ridgeback cross staffordshire terrier!
I don't currently hunt with dogs, but I used to hunt bushpig with a pack of hounds (beagle/foxhound/bluetick).

Currently it is still legal, and there are specialised packs which are game proofed, and so can hunt bushpig and probably warthog in game rich areas with minimal disturbance to other game!

Have to say that bushpig hunting with a dog pack is very exciting, and extremely good excercise!

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