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ShortandFat
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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Homer]
      #148917 - 26/12/09 10:41 PM

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G'Day Fella's,

I think you may have your wires crossed S & F, as this is the same action, that Remington chamber there .416 Rem Mags in!

HooRoo
and
Merry Christmas
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Ok so your saying the magazine box and acting inletting in the Remington's 300 ADL is the SAME for the 416 Rem Mag, that seems a little extravagant doesn't it.

If that is the case then, Yes I must have got it crossed who would guess that Remingtons STANDARD Magnum length rifles had the SAME inletting and magazine box of the larger 2.85inch 375H&H, 416 RM and 458 Lott length cases.

Because as you all know he only wants to put either a 375 Ruger or 416 Ruger into a Remington 300 WM ADL action.

Not a lot of companies do this, the 7mm, 300 and 338 magnum case can fit into a standard length action. It seems crazy that Remington would need to open the action up to 416 Rem Mag length if a standard length action will work

Because if he owned a 300 WM in about 95% of the rifles on the market there's NO WAY in HELL he would fit a 375 H&H, 416 Rem Mag or 458 Lot in a standard magnum action amd magazine box?

And he does want to put a 375 or 416 Ruger into that action doesn't he....Both the 375 & 416 Rugers are designed to fit into "standard length" actions, Not long magnum actions. So if he has the longer action goign to a Ruger is silly isn't, it's like wantign to make a 300 WSM on an action big enought to take a 300 Win Mag

As I mentioned I actually own a 416 Ruger and just put a case into the magazine box of my Remington 375 H&H SPS (same length as the 416 Rem Mag and 458 Lott) and there is a lot of room in the mag box infornt of the projectile and I've never seen a spacer in the mag box of the Remington 7mm or a 300 Win mag ADL's.

So what your saying is I would have no problems feeding one of my 300g 375H&H loaded cases into this guys 300 WM ADL magazine box..........this I just have to try.


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S&F

Edited by ShortandFat (27/12/09 03:43 PM)

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Con
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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: ShortandFat]
      #148972 - 28/12/09 06:40 AM

S&F,
Haven't I told you before ... all Rem 'standard' length actions are in reality H&H magnum length. A Rem700 chambered to 30/06 actually has a magnum length action which will take a 375H&H as long as you open the bolt face, replace the magazine box, follower etc... and open the rails. That is do all the work necessary to get it to what a stock Rem in 375H&H has.

A Rem700 in 300WinMag will need the magazine box spacer taken out, longer follower, maybe some rail tweaking and it's pretty good to go for a 375H&H length cartridge. I have a sneaking suspicion the Vanguard/Howa's are similar.

I think what causes confusion is the word 'magnum', in it's traditional sense a 'magnum' action was H&H length (or longer) ... where say a Ruger MkII 'magnum' action (not the RSM its a true magnum length action) is in reality a standard length action with magnum bolt face and limited to 3.3" COL. Then we have 'short magnums' which are really just short actions with a magnum bolt face and limited to upto about 3.1" COL and often much shorter.
Cheers...
Con

Edited by Con (28/12/09 06:46 AM)

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Con]
      #148977 - 28/12/09 10:04 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Short and Fat and Con, what you have said about the Remington 700 Long action is correct.
My .25-06 (Rem 700) has an action and magazine long enough for a .375 H&H Mag to fit in.
The designer of the Remington 700 Mr Mike Walker, was way ahead of the rest of them when he was given this design job!!!
S&F, I'm personally a real fan of the Rem 700 series of rifles and if "ANT458" wants to chamber his Rem700 in .375/416 Ruger, he would end up with a rifle with a longer magazine than a lot of others, a great trigger and safety system, multiple scope base options, a better bedding platform etc .........
When you compare the Over All Length (OAL), of a Rem 700 long action to other long actions (.30-06 length), it is basically the same OAL.
In some cases it's shorter than the others and in may cases, it's actually a lot Lighter!!!
I reckon, Mr Mike Walker ROCKS!!!

Con, if I remember correctly, the Howa/ W-Vanguard Long action requires the action and magazine box to be lengthened to accommodate a .375 H&H cartridge?

Hope you all had a Merry Christmas!!!
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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Homer]
      #149081 - 30/12/09 08:17 AM

Hommer,
It's been awhile since I had a Vanguard, but a 470Capstick round sat in the action with room to spare. Magazine box would require opening no doubt, I don't think the action does ... but could be wrong.

For me ... the Rem700s in big bores suck! Been there and done that, ergonomics are wrong for me as I wear the bolt knob on the trigger finger knuckle on firing. As a 375H&H (had 2) they are simply awesome.
Cheers...
Con

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Con]
      #149086 - 30/12/09 09:04 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Con, thanks for the insite and down side of Big Bore Remington's.
I don't have any experience with them above .375 H&H.

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Homer]
      #149087 - 30/12/09 09:24 AM

Hommer,
No worries ... my 470Capstick used to cheese grate my knuckle. I just reckon the Rem700 is an accuracy platform ... build a 358STA, 338RUM, 340Wby etc and it'd just absolutely rock. The Rem Safari Classic in 375H&H was sub-8lb loaded and ready to go and was just a delight to carry and shoot.
Cheers...
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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Homer]
      #149088 - 30/12/09 09:25 AM

Hommer-

In the technical/engineering world and trades, the "C.H." measurement/tolerance vernacular is standard (to include the "R.C.H." for the more Ginger applications!)

I can see how this might seem crude to the un-indoctrinated, also where the numbers get down to .0001" etc



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As to GIN, Tinker it may be fine as a flushing solvent, but I personally find it to be far to much of a Depressant, when consumed as a beverage!




As for Gin and it's refreshing quality to the mind/body/spirit - on days where the excitement-meter is pegged in the red, a little CNS depressant can be the most refreshing thing of all!



Cheers to you
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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: tinker]
      #149144 - 31/12/09 08:13 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Don't get me wrong Tinker, I can swear along with the best of them. I just don't think a forum is an appropriate place for foul language!
I have to take exception to your use of the term CH being a technical/engineering term re; tolerance etc. As a Practical engineer (Mech Fitter Machinist Welder etc) myself, I have always been of the opinion that people that use the term CH, were Rough or even Crude by comparison to us precision machinists.
Just kiddin!
But, 0.0001" type tolerance is where I live, on a daily basis!


As to Gin, I might need to get a bottle of it and Tonic Water, a Lime etc and try one as a "Calm Me Downs", at the end of a stressful day! Thanks for the tip!

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Homer]
      #149155 - 31/12/09 11:53 AM

So far as I am aware this forum has never been moderated for language, foul or otherwise, although members will jump in sometimes on blatently racist name calling.

As far as I am concerned this forum is some good ol' boys relaxing after a long day in this politicaly correct asylum we call business and commerce. If we are going to bleet here about a bit of anglo-saxon then there is no hope for any of us.

Thank you by the way for confirming the diamiter of the said hair, I hadent got any here as I make the wife shave her fanny as I don't like getting them in between my teeth.

I am going to go out later and grab a few off a passing Nun to add to the tool box.

All best.

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Bramble]
      #149180 - 31/12/09 09:10 PM

LOL best, Mike

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #149195 - 01/01/10 01:43 AM

I just glanced out the window and saw Bramble chasing said Nun! Look, there he goes:


























Let's hope she's not too fast for old Bramble!



HAPPY NEW YEAR

Curl

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: CptCurl]
      #149227 - 01/01/10 09:44 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for your input Curl.
That broke me up big time! What a Laugh!!!

Happy New Year Fella's!!!
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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Bramble]
      #149230 - 01/01/10 10:30 AM

Oh yes - Good to have dreams mate!


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I am going to go out later and grab a few off a passing Nun to add to the tool box.





Bramble's RCH fantasy...






Bramble's inevitable RCH reality...







Go get it Bramble!
Make sure you double-bag it!!



Hommer-

This may be a good time for you to have that drink!





Cheers
Tinker

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: tinker]
      #149231 - 01/01/10 10:32 AM

Ain't that the truth John..

Happy New Year Everybody.

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Bramble]
      #149234 - 01/01/10 11:06 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Just remembered and Old Saying, "You Are What You Eat" !

Tinker, the way I feel this morning, I may have already had a Few G & T's last night!....???
Oh.........My Heads Hurt!!!

HooRoo
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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: Homer]
      #149237 - 01/01/10 03:02 PM

Hommer-


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From Hommer:
Just remembered and Old Saying, "You Are What You Eat" !





Take a moment here to think on this one-
What will you picture next time you hear someone say 'The Body of Christ'..?



That does it.
This thread's been run waaay off the rails and into oblivion.
I repent.





Cheers
Tinker

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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: tinker]
      #149283 - 02/01/10 08:19 AM

G'Day Fella's,

It must be to early in the morning, as I can't picture much at all apart from some poor bugger, nailed to a cross!

The one that has always got me thinking is when an employee of the church says they will, "Put The Fear of Christ in You" ???
Apparently, they don't use that term any more!

Your right Tinker, this thread is well off track and........

Adios &
HooRoo
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Re: remington 700 adl in 375 ruger or 416 ruger [Re: ant458]
      #149330 - 03/01/10 01:26 AM

I just finished such a rifle.

I took my 1982 left hand 7mm BDL and re-barreled to a .375 H&H with PAC-NOR match grade for - wait for it..., a grand total of $700.

My next step is to glass bed it, mainly to protect the stock from splitting.

Remington never made a left hand .375 H&H BDL.

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