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Namibia Pro`s call a stop
      #140529 - 13/08/09 07:54 PM

Africa : Namibia: Canned Hunting Shoots Back Into the Limelight
on 2009/8/12 1:35:13

HE Namibian Professional Hunting Association (Napha) has appealed to the Ministry of Environment and Tourism (MET) to suspend the issuing of leopard and cheetah trophy-hunting permits for 2010.

Napha, which encourages hunting in an ethical and sustainable manner, has also requested a temporary suspension on hunting leopards with hounds.

Hunting leopards, but not cheetahs, with hounds is still legal in Namibia, but is frowned upon by most professional hunters, who feel it detracts from the "fairness" of the hunt.

"Increasing reports of alleged unscrupulous, unethical and illegal hunting practices, often involving unregistered and unqualified people posing as professional hunters, have led our executive committee to the opinion that urgent action is required to secure the future of the Namibian trophy-hunting industry, as well as the reputation of Namibia as a destination for fair chase and ethical trophy hunting," Napha said in a statement.

Professional hunters to whom The Namibian spoke strongly feel that serious steps are needed to clean up the industry. One hunter, who wished to remain anonymous, felt the call to stop issuing 2010 hunting permits was a reflection of the seriousness of the situation.

"We actually voted for closing down a lucrative segment of our trophy-hunting industry, in spite of the fact that some of our most respected and ethical members have hunts booked for next year for these predators," he said.

Trophy hunting is one of the tourism industry's biggest contributors to the country's Gross Domestic Product (GDP). The most recent data, from 2005, indicated that trophy hunting contributed N$316 million a year to the GDP.

As rumours of unqualified hunters and canned hunts - an illegal hunting practice in which the animals are trapped to make the kill easier - flood the industry, hunters are now asking what the Ministry of Environment and Tourism's position is.

Those caught posing as hunting professionals face punishment in the form of confiscation of the illegally hunted animals, and a possible fine, but some Napha members believe that many lawbreakers are slipping through the nets of Namibian law enforcers.

"In my personal opinion, the efficiency of the Ministry is questionable. They just don't have the manpower to follow up on everything," said a Napha member.

"We are sick and tired of tolerating the abuses that have been going on. We are trying to ensure that a hunting industry exists for future generations," another Napha member told The Namibian.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200908110400.html

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Re: Namibia Pro`s call a stop [Re: gryphon]
      #140530 - 13/08/09 08:28 PM

Glad to see they're voting for the same moratorium on hunting with hounds as PHASA voted for at least ten years ago.

Also very glad to see them taking a firm stance on the canned hunting issue. As South Africa knows to it's cost, it's a very hard thing to stamp out once the unscrupulous operators get a toe hold.

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Re: Namibia Pro`s call a stop [Re: shakari]
      #140534 - 13/08/09 11:52 PM

I support those who seek to maintain valuable resources and protect them from excessive harvest.

I do not know what the details of hound hunting in Namibia are, but to categorically state that hound hunting is unethical is ridiculous and absurd.

We on this Forum have hashed out various "divide and conquer" schemes by the antihunters over the years but the worst and most aggregious form of antihunting politics comes from within hunting groups themselves, where one group feels it has the "moral higher ground" over another.

Removing a harvest tool {in this case hound hunting} from the toolkit has many pitfalls.

Those who call hound hunting "unfair", not only ignore that the use of dogs is one of the most ancient forms of hunting but they also open themselves to attack from the outside as inconsistent hypocrites and indeed, are inconsistent hypocrites. They should look forward to a few such attacks by jilted hound hunters, too. If hound hunting can be called "unfair", how much more so the use of bait...and the killing of game to use for bait can easily be attacked as wastage of game.

Possibly some specific methods employed by hound hunters should modified. Possibly overharvest of the resource is occuring and this, too should be curtailed. These are points that can be addressed without yet again arrogantly and highmindedly painting one hunting group with the broad brush and sweeping into oblivion a valuable tool of the harvest AND giving ammo to the antihunters.

IF, and I say IF {it is a news article after all...} these fellows have decided to cast stones at the use of dogs, in my opinion they have made a very big mistake.

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Re: Namibia Pro`s call a stop [Re: 9.3x57]
      #140550 - 14/08/09 03:07 AM

Quote:

Those who call hound hunting "unfair", not only ignore that the use of dogs is one of the most ancient forms of hunting but they also open themselves to attack from the outside as inconsistent hypocrites and indeed, are inconsistent hypocrites. They should look forward to a few such attacks by jilted hound hunters, too. If hound hunting can be called "unfair", how much more so the use of bait...and the killing of game to use for bait can easily be attacked as wastage of game.




Or flushing gamebirds with gundogs...
or my pet hate - bowhunting over water holes which does happen in Namibia and SA ...


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Re: Namibia Pro`s call a stop [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #140553 - 14/08/09 04:37 AM

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As rumours of unqualified hunters and canned hunts - an illegal hunting practice in which the animals are trapped to make the kill easier - flood the industry, hunters are now asking what the Ministry of Environment and Tourism's position is.





So this is a canned hunt? I tought this was trapping and canned hunts was a animal that was breed to let loose and then hunted.

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Re: Namibia Pro`s call a stop [Re: 450_366]
      #140555 - 14/08/09 06:56 AM

I wouldnt have thought that leopard hunting over hounds had any traditional genes at all.

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Re: Namibia Pro`s call a stop [Re: gryphon]
      #140560 - 14/08/09 08:54 AM

I'm a bit lost here. We hunt game all over the world using dogs. Why is it bad to hunt leopards
with dogs ? It's not my bag for the simple reasons, 1) I'm not sure I'm fit enough to keep up and shoot the bugger before there was mayhem and 2) I don't like seeing numerous dogs sent to pastures new BUT I am happy to hunt Jabali in Spain over dogs. A few injuries but few fatalaties, am I missing something /, best, Mike


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Re: Namibia Pro`s call a stop [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #140567 - 14/08/09 02:58 PM

Maybe the majority of PHs offering hound leopard hunts do not run suitable dogs themselves and maybe those that do are a small group?

But IMO there would no doubt running hounds for leopard would be 'easier' and a higher success rate than sitting endless days in a hide.

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HE Namibian Professional Hunting Association (Napha) has appealed to the Ministry of Environment and Tourism (MET) to suspend the issuing of leopard and cheetah trophy-hunting permits for 2010.

Napha, which encourages hunting in an ethical and sustainable manner, has also requested a temporary suspension on hunting leopards with hounds.




This suggests also a problem with the population ie numbers.

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Re: Namibia Pro`s call a stop [Re: NitroX]
      #140581 - 14/08/09 11:36 PM

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But IMO there would no doubt running hounds for leopard would be 'easier' and a higher success rate than sitting endless days in a hide.




Maybe the article is poorly written and Nitro got the crux of it?

Maybe the leopard #'s are down and the higher success rate of hound hunting is the issue, not "fairness" in the sense that using hounds is unethical?

Of course, on that score the article seems to be clear, but who knows.

Somewhat related, here in Idaho, all lion killed must be tagged and when a certain number of females are taken in any given Unit, the season can be suspended in order to preserve the population.

Interestingly, lion numbers are reported to have declined in the last ten years in some Units. There is some mystery about why, but the killing of cubs in dens by wolves and the driving off of kills by wolves {leading to starvation} are two factors thought to be a part of it. When Washington State banned hound hunting and baiting for lion and bear, many hunters moved to our state or began hunting here. It may be, like in Namibia, that this increase in hunting cost some numbers also, but the Game Department insists that their quota system prevents overharvest. So why cannot Namibia do similarly? Limit take, not method?

As for which is 'easier', Stand or Hound Hunting. Tough question! As a deer hunter, I've spent a ton of time in a stand in very uncomfortable conditions. As a bear hunter, I've put allot of miles under my wheels and boots following dogs in very tough country. Both have their challenges and both can be very frustrating...and rewarding! Stand or the Chase; a tough question indeed!

My point is; if hunters want to reduce harvest of leopard that is a legitimate management decision but they can do so without disparaging a harvest method and the sport itself.

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