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JefferyDenmark
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Lee Speed ID HELP
      #140023 - 04/08/09 10:56 PM

Gentlemen,

I need some help with ID date on my rifle.

Number is D. 167
It is a BSA rifle.

Cheers,

André

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #140035 - 05/08/09 04:26 AM

Hello André,

I will try to help you, but need more information. There is no convenient list of serial numbers for the BSA rifles...we can only compare features and numbers with other rifles and possibly date the proof marks. This can sometimes be pretty accurate, because we have sales ledger information for some rifles and we know when certain features were introduced. We can usually nail it down to within a few years either way.

Were is "D. 167" stamped on the rifle?
Are there any other numbers anywhere on the rifle?
Any proof marks, like a Crown over NP, and so on?
What is the barrel length?
What is the overall length?
What are the EXACT markings for BSA? Does it say "BSA Co." or "BSA Co. Ltd." or something else?
Can you please post a picture (it is worth a thousand words)? If you cannot post, please send me a PM and I will post it for you.

If you cannot take a picture, then I'll need to ask some more questions. But let's start with the above.

BTW, congratulations on owning this rifle!

Best regards,
JC5

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JefferyDenmark
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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP [Re: jc5]
      #140037 - 05/08/09 05:18 AM

JC5,

The rifle is on its way to me from Austria as we speak, so I can not read any makrings.
It looks like the one in the W.J Jeffery catalog from 1912-13 on page 59 maybe a no. 2 with round barrel.

Here are the pictures from the seller.

Thanks for helping out.

The rifle should be with me tomorrow or Thursday

Cheers,

André











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Edited by JefferyDenmark (05/08/09 05:25 AM)

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #140038 - 05/08/09 05:35 AM

André,
That is a beautiful rifle! Well done!

All I can tell you for now (until we see all the markings), is that it probably dates between 1899 and 1914.

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP [Re: jc5]
      #140039 - 05/08/09 05:47 AM

Thanks.
I will get back with markings and some pictures of my own.
I think it is quite a nice rifle for my vintage collection.

Cheers,

André

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #140078 - 05/08/09 10:17 PM

It might be vintage but is still a great hunting rifle that I would use without hesitation on anything up to asian buffalo.
You will probably find that the sights are regulated for 215gn round nose projectiles.
A good example of a great rifle
Al

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #140083 - 05/08/09 11:15 PM

Oh it will hunt trust me.
I will Shoot 215 grn Taipan bullets, the seller told me that they worked quite good.

I normally hunt with a 1914 mauser model M from 1914

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André



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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #140194 - 08/08/09 03:42 AM

Gentlemen,

Got the rifle today it is in good condition and a very handy rifle with great balance.

Hope this can help with the year of production.

Cheers,

André











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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #140205 - 08/08/09 06:56 AM

Beautiful rifle! Now the bad news ... getting the 215gr Taipan is difficult as Taipan has cut back production due to domestic circumstances. Might be worth trying the Woodleigh 215gr. When my Lee Speed is restored that will be its projectile of choice. Just wish I had of grabbed some 215gr solids awhile back in case an elephant invades the garden.
Cheers...
Con

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: Con]
      #140226 - 08/08/09 09:51 PM

I got Taipan bullets but will also test other bullets.

Cheers,

André

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #140259 - 09/08/09 02:26 PM

Well we are down to between about 1897 to 1903.
Any serial number under the bolt handle and are there protectors on the front sight?

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: Rowdy]
      #140287 - 10/08/09 07:01 AM

Hi,

Under the bolt handle is written number "4288".

What do you mean protectors on the front sight?? Like a hood?

Cheers,

André

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #140314 - 10/08/09 02:23 PM

Hi Andre,

As there is not much information available we have to do some guesswork.
The number under the bolt handle should be matched to a number on the barrel and action under the fore end - I assume this is a batching number for production.
Later rifles (after c 1900?) have the action number moved to the flat under the bolt handle and no new hand engraved serial number.
Early rifles usually had tall gaurd wings each side and integral with the foresight.
The two actions shown are about 1895 and 1904 judging by other features and markings.
My best guess is your rifle was made about 1899 - give or take a couple of years.

Regards - Andrew

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: Rowdy]
      #140340 - 11/08/09 01:38 AM

Rowdy,

Thanks for narrowing the year of production.
My rifle has those thall guard wings on the frontsight, I will post a picture later.

Cheers,

André

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #140343 - 11/08/09 03:05 AM

Is there a number on the bolt handle or on the top-rear-flat part of the action where the bolt slides in?

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: jc5]
      #140356 - 11/08/09 06:04 AM

Under the bolt handle is written 4288 and where the bolt slides in is written 88.

Cheers,

André

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: Con]
      #140440 - 12/08/09 03:48 AM

Quote:

Beautiful rifle! Now the bad news ... getting the 215gr Taipan is difficult as Taipan has cut back production due to domestic circumstances. Might be worth trying the Woodleigh 215gr. When my Lee Speed is restored that will be its projectile of choice. Just wish I had of grabbed some 215gr solids awhile back in case an elephant invades the garden.
Cheers...
Con



FWIW, Hawk Precision also offers 215 grain .311s.
http://www.hawkbullets.com/

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: Story]
      #140585 - 15/08/09 12:32 AM

I had the Lee Speed Sporter of this thread in me hands yesterday. Very very nice rifle indeed.
André have done a very good deal.

I know one day, a rifle like that will be in my gunsafe..hahaha

Congratulations from here...

j

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: rigbymauser]
      #141084 - 25/08/09 02:54 AM

The gathering of the .303's
One fine Rigby Mauser and the Speed Lee.

Cheers,

André





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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #141085 - 25/08/09 03:08 AM

André: Seeing these two rifles side-by-side is true eye candy.

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: dons]
      #141088 - 25/08/09 05:39 AM

The rifles are very good friends - and so are the owners .

Cheers,

André

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Re: Lee Speed ID HELP MORE PICTURES!! [Re: JefferyDenmark]
      #141090 - 25/08/09 06:13 AM

The .303 club of Nordsjćlland

Got my Funky Hawaiishirts last saturday..I`LL wear one of them here this opcomming Saturday

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