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bwananelson
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sight options
      #139614 - 27/07/09 07:49 AM

has anyone toyed with the idea of lasers on big bores not the red in daylight they wont cut it but i have a green laser that can be seen at least 75-100 yard at any time of the day but i am not sure if it will take the recoil.maybe on a 375 on leopard it would be great in dim light or night but never have seen mention of lasers for hunting.what say the forum........

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Re: sight options [Re: bwananelson]
      #139663 - 27/07/09 09:21 PM

In many jurisdictions they are not legal for hunting.

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Re: sight options [Re: Tatume]
      #139674 - 28/07/09 01:21 AM

i know things are different all over,some places use spot lights,as with deer some bait some dont.i dont see the differance what kind of light you place on an animal a spot light or laser light but thats whats good about laws they can split hairs

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Re: sight options [Re: bwananelson]
      #140164 - 07/08/09 12:20 PM

75 yards no good. What if you need follow on shots while it runs away? What if you see a good kudu while hunting buffalo? Slow? What if the spot slips off a foreground object? How long does it take to pick up? And how long does it take to pick it up against a bunch of dry leaves? Leopard? You generally shoot leopard with the same rifle you use in the daytime for plains game. My first Safari I ended up shooting 3 of 8 animals at ranges in excess of 200 yards. Why fool with taking the laser off and putting a scope on?

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Re: sight options [Re: Indy]
      #143133 - 05/10/09 01:24 AM

Use iron sights. They are paraticly unbreakable, will almost never loose their zero, and the $1000.00+ that you spen on a scope could be used for ammo to 'train' your eyes on shooting straight and fast. This is only for your DG rifle though. When shooting plains game, please use the best scope you can afford. And again, shoot as much as possible.

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Re: sight options [Re: andrevannibos]
      #143215 - 06/10/09 09:49 AM

G'Day Fella's,

From what I understand with smaller lesser powered lasers, you need to wear colored glasses (Red lens for Red Laser, Green for Green) so that the Laser "Stands Out" from the back ground during daylight?

I personally believe that both www.Trijicon.com and www.Aimpoint.com have the best solution to this situation. But these sighting systems need to be Set-Up correctly so that you can "Shotgun" the animal your hunting.
By this I mean, the sight is mounted in such a way that with practice, you can mount and shoot your Rifle, like a shotgun. You need to be aware that not all rifle stocks a conducive to this type of sighting system so....

That's what these electronic sights were made for and excel at!!!
The current models have No batteries (Trijicon) or really long battery life (both Aimpoint & Trijicon).

If you are getting to be an Old Codger like me (with eye sight that aint as good as it used to be?), these sighting systems are just the Ducks Guts. I shit you not!!!
Any of the Trijicon "RMR" sights would not look out of place mounted on the rib of a Double Rifle or on the receiver ring/quarter rib, of your Big Bore Bolt Gun!

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Re: sight options [Re: Homer]
      #143216 - 06/10/09 09:54 AM

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G'Day Fella's,

From what I understand with smaller lesser powered lasers, you need to wear colored glasses (Red lens for Red Laser, Green for Green) so that the Laser "Stands Out" from the back ground during daylight?

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Never heard that one before.

IMHO, If it's that low powered, it's too low powered.

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Re: sight options [Re: 500Nitro]
      #143219 - 06/10/09 12:34 PM

I have not yet seen a laser that performs well for the wide range of conditions that might exist under an average hunting day, range included.

Under dim light and very short range conditions, some do phenomenally well with them on pistols, but such conditions are limited.

Maybe some day a gun will be designed around a high power laser sighting system that will perform well in bright light and at long range. We have not yet seen the ultimate development of such sighting systems.

But sighting aside, the biggest threat to hitting is the trigger squeeze. A laser doesn't make a good shot. A good shot makes good use of a laser.

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Re: sight options [Re: 9.3x57]
      #143220 - 06/10/09 01:06 PM


9.3

You should try some of the Green lasers, they are superb in daylight. Red is crap in daylight, even higher power one's.


I must admit thought that I don't think they are that good
for longe range sighting / hunting.

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Re: sight options [Re: 500Nitro]
      #143263 - 07/10/09 09:33 AM

G'Day Fella's,

I haven't had much experience with Lasers but the powerful one's Ive played with were the size of a rifle scope, so they were becoming a bit impractical?
To my knowledge, the Cutting edge Competitive Target shooting sports and the Military don't use lasers in serious competition and or battle situations, so........

These are the areas where most new technology is developed, so if they aint doing it, it's probably not going to get a Jersey?

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Re: sight options [Re: Homer]
      #143264 - 07/10/09 09:44 AM


Homer

Correct.

They are very useful for identifying a target for someone else
to shoot at - ie Infantry to identify enemy for an Apache to engage as you can see by the Vedios on utube.

But as for accurate, aimed fire, well, I'll stick with a scope.

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Re: sight options [Re: 500Nitro]
      #143334 - 08/10/09 01:29 PM

if it were not my fear of breaking my green laser i would love to try it on a double,i use them on cross bows for gators all the time quick fire from any position,and the green stands up to daaylight where red fails ,here we can hunt till 1 hour after sunrise

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Re: sight options [Re: bwananelson]
      #143336 - 08/10/09 02:32 PM

I presume that we are talking about using the Laser on a rifle without a scope. If that's the case, wouldn't you have to remove all of parts of the open sights since they would partially obscure the Laser - both sighting arrangements would be aligned at the same point otherwise.

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Re: sight options [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #143348 - 08/10/09 11:57 PM

Quote:

I presume that we are talking about using the Laser on a rifle without a scope. If that's the case, wouldn't you have to remove all of parts of the open sights since they would partially obscure the Laser - both sighting arrangements would be aligned at the same point otherwise.



No.

They are set up just like as on a pistol; to "miss" the sights.

In theory you could have multiple sighting systems on a rifle; double-stacked optics as on the German G36 assault rifle plus irons plus a laser. There is no technical reason why all couldn't be fitted on the same gun.

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Re: sight options [Re: 9.3x57]
      #143368 - 09/10/09 11:22 AM

I realise that the laser would be mounted to avoid interference with using the open sights (perhaps barrel mounted?) but I meant interference with the actually aiming point. I don't kow how big the laser 'dot' would be on the target (the high power compact trade lasers I've seen produce a fairly small dot at 25yds) but if you lined up the open sights to take a shot, wouldn't the front sight obscure the laser 'dot' on the target - I mean they are both directed at the same point and I suspect that the size of the front sight on the target would be greater than the size of the laser 'dot' on the target. Either the open sights would need to be set low or the laser would need to be set high to avoid interference and so you could se the dot.

This isn't a problem with a scope because the cross hairs would generally be finer than the laser 'dot' and you can still see the laser 'dot - so assault rifle with optics are not a problem.

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