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G'Day Fella's

I see that Remington have purchased Dakota Arms (and all of its subsidiaries).

This may make for some interesting Big Bore, Dangerous Game Rifles from the Big Green in the future!?

HooRoo
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If they work

Would you trust a / your DG Rifle to a Remington Extractor ?


BTW - A thread already exists on this.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post137136

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Hommer

You are one of the few then who would use it for DG Hunting.

Plenty of other people have had the extractors fail, that is
why so many Sako extractors get fitted.

If they were that good, then why don't more people use them
for DG hunting ?

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500Nitro

I am one more...

Oddly enough--the only extractor I have had to replace was the one I changed on my Remington Custom shop --in .416--listened to all the bs ..so figured I had better change the extractor to a Sako..guess what---the piece of shit broke after less than 40 rounds--have NEVER had an original go bad..I realize they do..just find it odd it has never happened to me..

As to your final statement---when I was over there last year in Zim--of the 5 PH's in Camp--3 were shooting a .416 Remington in caliber--two had Remington actioned rifles..even I found that quite odd..while they were not used all the time, fact is, they were used..

I am not saying they are the greatest thing since sliced bread..far from it..but certainly not in need of the bashing that seems to please so many...don't see too many Ruger, sako, weatherby or other actions being used in custom guns...while the Remington dominates in those areas for middle of the road semi-custom hunting rifles.if you count $2 to $5000. rifles middle of the road..not just by coincidence I would guess..

With all my support I have given them I will probably be taken out the next time I go over and am carrying another Rem..and yes, it will again be my .416...but, we all have to go sometime and I would much rather go that way versus sitting in some fricken nursing home with drool coming out of the corner of my mouth...

Ripp

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G'Day Fella's,

Sorry, but Ripp stole my thunder. Not a problem mate!

Apparently Ripp, his African PH's and I aren't the only ones.
I was just having lunch and reading the current edition (May-June 2009) of SCI Safari Magazine. I see on page 62, that SCI Field Editor, Mr Jon R Jundra after 33 years and 20 African Safari's later, like Ripp also chose to take a Remington 700 with him. In fact he took two Remington 700's!
His Light Rifle choice was a 7mm Rem Mag and his Heavy Rifle, (like Ripp), in .416 Rem Mag!
Mr Sundra used the .416, to bag his 44 1/4" Cape Buffalo and if you go to page 103 of the same magazine, you can see him shooting over his Lamborghini. So I assume he's not short of a dollar but his choice to hunt Dangerous African game was still a Remington 700!

Ripp, I think it's called Fate!
Man, if your number is up it's up, regardless of whether you have a Rigby or a Boito in your hands at the time!

HooRoo
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I read that same article--kind of made me chuckle...especially with the Lamborgini in the photo...now that's funny...

Again, I have no problem with anyone choosing whatever weapon, brand, whatever they want..heck, I have probably had one or more or most of what is being made with my pride being a W/R double in .470...so everyone shoot until your hearts content, makes no difference to me...

As to the topic of when your time is up when it is up..heard today the lady that missed the plane from Brazil to France and therefore avoided certain death last week..was killed yesterday in an auto accident..may her soul rest in peace...but, almost sounds like something from the "Twilight Zone"..

Take care..

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At least Remington buying Dakota means SOMEONE is buying it, rather than it being folded into nothing.

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Ever hear of "Death with Dignity"?

As a Dakota owner I hope this is a positive change for them. Time will tell.

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... The wonderful thing about them is that when the magazine is empty, you just drop another cartridge in the ejection port, close the bolt and fire!
You don't need to physically load the magazine, to get back in the game. Now when every second counts, this is a real asset!
As to the most controversial aspect of the Remington 700 series of firearms (and others), the Extractor. I have fired thousands of rounds through these rifles, with out a single failure to extract!
Its called engineering and Mr Mike Walker had it in spades, when he designed this firearm.

HooRoo
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So what controlled feed action besides the Kimber can't do this (this is the only one I know of, I'm not a big bolt gun fan)? I can single feed with my M76 and my Mauser.

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A custom Mark 10 I have does NOT allow to do it--it needs to be modified by a gunsmith in order to allow that..

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Hommer and Ripp,

Thanks for the info. I have learned enough about the CF actions to look to see if they have the relief cut for the extractor to pop over the rim in a single feed situation. I think its dumb not to have this capability and don't see why makers like Kimber don't accomodate it.

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Hommer and Ripp,

Thanks for the info. I have learned enough about the CF actions to look to see if they have the relief cut for the extractor to pop over the rim in a single feed situation. I think its dumb not to have this capability and don't see why makers like Kimber don't accomodate it.

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The reason is that it weakens the tip of the extractor where it enters the cartridge rim. It is perfectly possible to do, but, it will always compromise this area of the extractor to a greater or lesser extent.
Another reason for not doing so, is so that the rifle only contains the number of cartridges that the magazine will hold, thus allowing you to withdraw the bolt and thumb the cartridge into the mag' and close the bolt on an empty chamber without a loose round floating around.

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Bramble,
Not sure I am understanding your statement. When I hunt, whether dangerous game or not, I have a round in the chamber, but especially when hunting dangerous game. The clip is full with one up the pipe...assume anyone using a controlled round feed action would do the same..if not, then I guess the previous post really doesn't matter. But if one does, unless you made the modification above correct???

As I mentioned, I have a mauser style action on a few guns, on the .416 I had the modification made. I really feel it is a great advantage, again probably more so when hunting dangerous game...but to be able to toss another round into the chamber if need be and get off a round quickly...personally would not hunt with a gun that does not have that option..again, that is what I have always been used to..

One other item back to the Remington style actions., we were having this conversation once around camp, and I did not believe them until I tried it....but you can work the Remington action upright, sideways, or upside down and the Remington will still feed..which, depending on how the hunt goes, may have some merit as well..

I am in totally agreement the mauser is probably a better action for dangerous game..my only point is that both can work and have for me..while not a ton of game, current have 72 game animals taken in Africa that would agree..along with literally 100's f N American game...with no jams, broken extractors, bolts gone awry, etc... period.

This discussion has gone on for decades, and I am sure as long as there are people that use both, it will continue. For me, I will use both, but will not discount one for the other ..have not seen a reason to for the last 40 years, so no reason for the next either...

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Bramble,
Not sure I am understanding your statement. When I hunt, whether dangerous game or not, I have a round in the chamber, but especially when hunting dangerous game. The clip is full with one up the pipe...assume anyone using a controlled round feed action would do the same..if not, then I guess the previous post really doesn't matter. But if one does, unless you made the modification above correct???


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Just my HO !!!

Maybe I need a 20 round AR 15 with Walnut stock !!!!

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Man, for the pig scenario you described...an AR would be awesome--in .223 but for pigs maybe a .308 or the new 6.8 caliber..one of those and a 30 round mag..you would be set...

I have used them in .223 on coyotes..very handy on the running shots...

Ripp

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