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mehulkamdar
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New South African 416 wilddcat on the 303 Case
      #136461 - 01/06/09 01:02 AM

I wonder if this will someday become a double rifle and single shot chambering?

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Re: New South African 416 wilddcat on the 303 Case [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #136463 - 01/06/09 04:25 AM


I doubt of any bright future for that cartridge at all..

So many other and better to choose from...I believe.

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Re: New South African 416 wilddcat on the 303 Case [Re: rigbymauser]
      #136645 - 04/06/09 12:00 AM

Jens,

The South Africans have some interesting new artridge designs that seem to do well in their part of the world. That is why I have been wondering about this new wildcat. I guess the world does not need any new cartridge designs at all if oyu consider that what has been available for a long time has been used to take every game animal on the planet. That said, the world had beauties like MArilyn Monroe and Ingrid Bergman but I still like to look at Keira Knightley and Megan Fox.

Good hunting, my friend!

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Re: New South African 416 wilddcat on the 303 Case [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #136647 - 04/06/09 12:10 AM

Nineteen century?

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Re: New South African 416 wilddcat on the 303 Case [Re: grandveneur]
      #136659 - 04/06/09 02:06 AM

the cartridge is very close to the .416 JDJ round wildcat here in the USA. This is the .444 marlin necked to the .416. A bit more capacity than the .303 case.
I am making a case with .375 bullet on the .303 case for my 2 1/4 " version of the .375 express in a martini henry. 250 - 300 grain bullets. The 250 should be pushing 2000 fps.
Nice hog and deer load.

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Re: New South African 416 wilddcat on the 303 Case [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #136676 - 04/06/09 06:43 AM

What kind of pressures are they running to get 2300fps with a 350gr bullet out of a case that small? I think you would be better off with a .405win using .416 bullets sized to .411, the case is a bit longer and slightly larger in diameter (more volume).

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Re: New South African 416 wilddcat on the 303 Case [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #136681 - 04/06/09 08:47 AM

First thing I thought of was a 405Win. shortened a bit or the 444Marlin necked in a bit.
Don't really see how this is innovative...

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Re: New South African 416 wilddcat on the 303 Case [Re: Huvius]
      #136691 - 04/06/09 12:41 PM

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Don't really see how this is innovative...



I don't think it is much meant to be innovative. Just practical, i.e. to get the max "big bore" from a nearly unmodified P-14.

As far as that goes it seems right.

I'm not sure, but I think the JDJ/.444 Marlin rounds require a bit of trickery to the P-14 action rails to get 100% feed reliability. Personally, I found enough trouble making .303 cal P-14's feed flawlessly that I think ANYTHING that keeps trouble to a minimum is an inherent good.

The P-14 was a cobble job originally meant for a rimless round, and should have been left as such IMO. I've owned 3 or 4 that were really herkyjerky and read of many more ditto. I do believe the sniper mod rifles were worked over pretty hard to ensure feeding of the .303 round. All my .30-07 M1917's fed flawlessly from the gitgo.

The P-14 is accurate as all-getout tho. Really fine shooters.

Anyway, that P-14 should hold 5 of those weirdo .416 rounds and if it was me I'd chop the barrel back to 18 inches and have the finest hound hunting rifle for our black bear ever made.

I like it, even with the longer tube!

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