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Sarg
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Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ?
      #135754 - 20/05/09 08:47 PM

I'm looking to build a 458Win Mag on S/S Magnum Ruger action , may be with factory or after market laminate stock , does any one know if this has any traps or pitfalls ? eg: action strength or stock strength , does stock need cross bolts or such , I have a 30-06 , can this be opened up or should I focus on a Mag action ?

Kind of like this , but right handed & with Green Mountain Laminate !



Thank you for any advice !

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: Sarg]
      #135755 - 20/05/09 08:49 PM

Sarg, the 458 Win Mag was designed to work in a 30-06 length action.

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: Tatume]
      #135756 - 20/05/09 09:07 PM

Yes , bolt face would need opening , is there more work on mag well , side rails to make it feed perfectly ?

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: Sarg]
      #135794 - 21/05/09 07:33 AM

Sarg,
Sounds like you are building a new back up rifle?
The Ruger you describe should be a good set up.
Regarding feed with the .458, a lot depends on the type of projectile you intend to use.
Spitzer styles like Barnes X are usually easier to get to feed well than the blunt round nose soft points like Hornady etc.
To get a 458 feeding well it is usually necessary to adjust/alter the mag box, follower and spring, ramp, and sometimes the rails.
The slickest feeding .458 Ive ever handled was one of the recent production CRF Winchester 70's, which had a recess machined into the mag follower that allowed the rear end of the case to align itself with the chamber.
I'm sure with some fiddling you would get a Ruger to feed well in 458.

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: Sarg]
      #135795 - 21/05/09 07:46 AM

Sarg,
What is that Ruger in your photo, what model and cal?

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: Sarg]
      #135802 - 21/05/09 09:38 AM

Hello Sarg,

Due to the almost parallel shape of the 458, you’ll probably need to fit a different magazine box and alter the feed rails just a little for that conversion.

I re-chambered a Ruger 77 from 7x57 to 7mm Ackley Improved a few years back and the damn thing gave all sorts of feeding woes, no matter how well I polished the feed ramp and rails. Eventually I worked out when the more parallel 7mm Ackley Improved shells (parallel like the 458) were in the magazine, they were quite cocked over toward the centre of the mag box at the front. Subsequently, when pushing the bolt forward in feeding, the cartridge nose was sliding too far across and missing the chamber before the rear of the shell released from the mag. I simply exchanged the original mag box for a one meant for a 300 Win Mag (a parallel cartridge a-la the 458) and that rifle fed like a champion.

Ruger did make the original M77 in 458 so you should have no real dramas with the feed ramp. Just go slow. Colour the feed ramp in with a dark whiteboard marker before you test it each time and you will see exactly where it is binding, polish a little out and try it till it's right.

Cross bolts and an extra recoil lug under the barrel in the fore-end would be highly recommended too

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: alexbeer]
      #135812 - 21/05/09 12:14 PM

That was great guys , thank you & for the Gunsmith angle Alex !

Yep you got me I want it for a hard wearing , light weight , back up carry gun !

I have a old Ruger M77 in 458Win , great rifle,very accrate and a little heavy ,blued & wood ,it has been hard to keep it looking good , we have Mauser 458Win light weight custum rifles for long walks & Jungle bashing , but I like my own , so it works how I like it to (which is shoots ever time & in the same place) I have used a 458Win to shoot ever thing any way from goats & pigs to the big stuff,even cats & crows ! the 458 can do it all !

That rifle is what I had in mind for years , it's a Hawkeye 375 1 of 100 made , on Guns International right now # 100073695 around US$900

Ok I will be on the look out for a Ruger S/S in from 7MM Mag to 338Win Mag then or I suppose a 375 Ruger , which I see has a cross bolt already , save some work/money on beefing up a standard one ?

Thanks again for the help & suggestions guys !

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: Sarg]
      #135953 - 22/05/09 11:39 PM

I have a custom .458 Win Mag on a Ruger Mark I Action and it does very well with the standard length round but it will not feed the shorter rounds using 300-grain loads and must be used as a single shot. I also have a Ruger Hawkeye in .357 Ruger and I love the rifle. It is handy, accurate and powerful. Recoil is very acceptable. An outstanding big game rifle for the money.

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: Plains99]
      #135991 - 23/05/09 09:03 AM

Help me out ...
Ruger builds a .458 Lott with a synthetic stock. I've got a #1 in same caliber with synthetic stock. Is the rifle not imported into N.Z.? Much easier to buy one than build one.

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: poprivit]
      #136099 - 25/05/09 07:23 AM

Ruger may have a syntheic Lott , it won't be on the shelf here , but one could order one !
I don't need a 458Lott over a 458Win , no added killing power to me , unless I go up in caliber,with the longer action (=longer throw,some times my guys short stroke our loan 375's) & more weight as Ruger factory rifles in 458 are far too heavy , I think factories make 458's heavy for the masse's who don't shoot enough to get familiar with the recoil , one or two hunts & then rub it now & again from the gun rack !

If Ruger made a Hawkeye like that one in the pix , I might look at it in Lott but would much prefer 458Win !

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Re: Building a 458 Win on Ruger Action ? [Re: Sarg]
      #136583 - 02/06/09 11:36 PM

Hawkeye actions are too short for a Lott. No Hawkeye that I know of is made for a .459 Win Mag either. However, there are Mark I's and Mark II's on the used market that are similarly sized to the Hawkeye and chambered for .458 Win Mag. I tried a number of .458's before I settled for the Mark I Ruger. I tried Mauser conversions, CZ's in Lott and Win Mag, a standard equipment Mark I Ruger, a #1 Ruger in .458, a Weatherby, and a modern Mauser. I only test fired the last two.
Most of the Mauser conversions had feeding and dependability problems, the CZ's seemed awkward and getting a scope mount to hold was a problem, the #1 was a great rifle but I didn't really want a single shot for dangerous game, the standard Ruger Mark I had terrible open sights and recoil was unpleasant, the Weatherby was a fine rifle but overpriced ($2,300 at that time), and the Mauser was just too European for my tastes.
The customized Mark I Ruger is a very quick bolt action for second and third rounds, is pleasant to carry, has a decent trigger, a very handy tang mounted safety, a Bell & Carlson stock, Black Ice metal finish, excellent custom open sights (similar to what is now standard on a .375 Ruger Hawkeye), was as accurate as anything I tried, and this one has a recoil suppressor to help with control. Now I know that outfitters don't like recoil suppressors but I can fire, bolt another round, and get on target again very quickly with this one. I believe that I will be much more effective with this rifle than any I tried.
My point is that buying a Ruger shorter action on the used market (since very few of them have seen much use) and doing some custom work such as sights and stock, can produce a pretty nice dangerous game rifle in .458 Win Mag at a reasonable price. I use Hornady's Light Magnum loads and the Ruger does very well. If you don't want a Lott (which I didn't need or want either)a modern .458 Win Mag is an awfully nice dangerous game rifle.

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An Interesting Concept For You: [Re: Plains99]
      #136830 - 06/06/09 12:45 PM

I have several take off barrels from Ruger No. 1 Rifles, two are 458 Win Mag. One has never been fired.

Thread is 1"-16, same as the Ruger bolt action, the Win M70, and the Montana actions.

One of my plans is to install a No. 1 458 barrel on a M70 or a Montana action.

Will make an interesting rifle, as the barrel has the sight rib plus a nice banded front sight, and a barrel band swivel lug. And is has enough weight to help handle the recoil.

Simple job, just face off the end enough to remove the No. 1 extractor slot, extend the shank and threads to fit the bolt action, cut an extractor slot if for an M70CRF, and run the chamber reamer in to restore the chamber length. Also would make an easy 458 Lott. Real easy job on a Ruger or a Montana action as they do not have an extractor slot.

And, if one wanted to make an "Ugly Gun", obtain a long eye relief scope and mount in Ruger Rings on the rib, as the rib has the cutouts for the ring clamps.

I will post a photo in a few days with a No. 1 458 barrel screwed into a bolt action.

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