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kos
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weatherby 416 magnum ??s
#1353 - 29/01/03 06:47 PM

i am interested in 416 w,magnum anyone own one ? fired one ? used it on game any views opinions how bad does it kick ?

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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: kos]
#1562 - 10/02/03 12:52 AM

Hi Kos,
I had a 416 Weatherby for about 5 years and as I'm a PH in Africa it got lots of work. Personally I found it to be a great (left handed)action on long shots etc, but that's not what I wanted it for. I needed a short range charge stopper. I found that the bullet was travelling so fast at exit it didn't have time to expand/perform before it exited. Finally I had 2 instances with (charging) wounded Buffalo that almost got me killed. Added to that the muzzle brake made me go completely deaf for 24 hours on one of the actions.

Eventually I took the rifle to a South African gunmaker who recycled the action into a .500 Jeffrey. Now THAT'S a rifle!

Whilst I appreciate that what I now have would not suit most people it surely does the job for me.

Cheers

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holland465
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: kos]
#1752 - 24/02/03 07:54 PM

An extremely nasty beast with a vicious recoil and a muzzle brake that is guaranteed to cause trackers and PH's to walk in tight circles as if lobotomized!I helped a buddy sight his in at the range and after we had finished both had super headaches from this clunker. I will shoot any of my double rifles and not feel the discomfort I felt shooting this hog. Weatherby has always built his guns to light in weight and a [censored] stock design. Buy something else and you will be much better off.

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mikeh416Rigby
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: shakari]
#1789 - 27/02/03 06:57 PM

That's why, when I was shopping for a .416, I went with the Ruger Bolt Action in .416 Rigby. I have it loaded to "only" 2400 fps with Woodleighs and I just love it. To recall the writings of some gun scribe years ago, "perhaps those old timers knew how well a heavy bullet, traveling at moderate velocities, performs".

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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
#173029 - 13/12/10 01:34 PM

I have loaded my .416 Rigby to almost match the big Weatherby, and I dont find the recoil all that bad. I can confirm though a 410gn round nose doing 2650fps is very very effective! One thing to remember with these big rounds is that you can load them up or down as you desire, an example of that is I also load my .416 Rigby down to 2150fps which produces very mild recoil and is a good practice load. And if you are going to get a big Weatherby handloading is the only option unless you want to end up broke.

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hunter_angler
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: Aussiesteve]
#173057 - 14/12/10 05:27 AM

Man, is this a thread from the dead, or what?

To me, Weatherby calibers (in their factory loadings) represent the ultimate extension of the obsession with velocity.

Works well enough in the small/medium bores for flat trajectory, but in the big guys (460, .416 even .378) look out! Killers on both ends, but maybe more likely to stop a second shot by the hunter than a charge by the hunted.

Personally I think the British back at the end of the 19th century figured it out pretty well. Get a big heavy bullet with good SD moving at 2150 or so FPS and it will git 'er dun within the ranges at which dangerous game is hunted.

If you want that kind of recoil/noise, I think you are better off trading velocity for greater bullet diameter/weight, as per Mr. Shakari above (of course for all I know, he is shooting 600 grainers at 2500 FPS)! Otherwise I think handloading down to at least .416 Rigby ballistics (I would more likely approximate the .400 Jeffery) makes a lot of sense.

Just my $.02. But maybe I am just getting old...

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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: hunter_angler]
#173071 - 14/12/10 10:14 AM

The 416 Taylor is a better way to go. Especially if you are going to have a rifle built. Much better value for the dollars spent, and the 400gr bullet at 2200-2350 is nice to shoot, kills VERY well, never give performance problems and does everything you would want any 416 to do.

For longer shots a 375H&H is a better all around rifle then a fast 416, because more power then the 375 delivers doesn't really help you in the real world at longer range. So the Weatherby kicks harder for no advantage.
Animals are not dangerous at 300 yards. They have to be able to touch you before they can hurt you.

If you want more power for closer ranges, I would recommend a larger bore and bigger bullet, not more speed.

I believe a 458 Win or 458 Lott are better stoppers at 100 yards and less, and the 375H&H is better at everything 150 yards and more.

The 416 Taylor is between the two.

More pleasant to fire and shoots flatter than a 458, and hits harder then a 375.
A VERY good combination.

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Altamaha
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: szihn]
#173075 - 14/12/10 10:37 AM

One to consider if you are into making up your brass is the 416 Howell.

Shortened 404 brass, nice shoulder. More than equal to the Taylor. Basically equal to the 416 Rigby factory velocities.

A big plus is the cartridge will feed through a pre 64 M70 without grinding out the feed ramp/action lug.

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hunter_angler
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: Altamaha]
#173079 - 14/12/10 11:03 AM

I agree with Mr. Zihn. There has been a lot of interest on the board lately in the Taylor, and it is easy to see why. Loaded with 400 gr bullets to 2350-2375 FPS it, too, essentially matches the Rigby's ballistics in a shorter action, and I have even seen 450 grainers loaded to 2250 FPS ( for some potentially really awesome buff stopping SD). Factory ammo is available to boot, from A-Square and Double Tap.

I am essentially an old school rimmed cartridge guy but if there is one caliber that could lure me to the dark side...

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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: hunter_angler]
#173084 - 14/12/10 12:19 PM

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I agree with Mr. Zihn. There has been a lot of interest on the board lately in the Taylor, and it is easy to see why. Loaded with 400 gr bullets to 2350-2375 FPS it, too, essentially matches the Rigby's ballistics in a shorter action, and I have even seen 450 grainers loaded to 2250 FPS ( for some potentially really awesome buff stopping SD). Factory ammo is available to boot, from A-Square and Double Tap.

I am essentially an old school rimmed cartridge guy but if there is one caliber that could lure me to the dark side...

Dark side inhabits my past also! There is nothing better in the morning than touching off a few 500 Nitro Cartridges.

Anyway, dilemma and decisions, what to do? Just build one of each! 416 Howell has more case capacity and therefore less chamber pressure at equivalent Taylor velocities. However, the Taylor brass is cheap and easy to make.

But the 416 Rigby lures me to the dark side also with the very large case capacity, keeping pressures reasonable at 2400 ft/sec. I have a 416 No. 6 Contour barrel and a BBK action laying in wait and the Rigby chamber reamer, dies, brass, bullets and walnut. So it is just a matter of time.

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tophet1
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: Altamaha]
#173086 - 14/12/10 12:48 PM

FWIW's.

I fired a .416 Taylor on a Mauser 98 action with a Boyds stock and the recoil was ... objectionable. It definantly needed a different design stock but I had the impression the case shoulder design and max load also had something to do with my perception.

I have a CZ .416 Rigby and am currently working for reduced loads. To get cases I have to fire off factory solids at A$125 per 20.

With the Rigby you can go up or down with your case pressures and in the CZ you will always have that cavenous action to play with if the Wildcat big bore bug catches.

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Ben
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: tophet1]
#173088 - 14/12/10 01:22 PM

Yeah, John, I'm also waiting on shipments of brass to arrive in the shops from Hornady. It's a looooong wait.

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Rule303
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: Ben]
#173109 - 14/12/10 08:04 PM

Fellas last time I looked - mid September- Cleavers in Brisbane had several boxes (20)of the Hornady 416 Rigby brass.

Cheers

Greg

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Ben
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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: Rule303]
#173156 - 15/12/10 10:38 AM

Thanks for the tip, Greg. I just got a couple of boxes from them. They still have one box left, if anyone's after some. They're good people to deal with over the phone. Cheers, Ben

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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: Ben]
#173160 - 15/12/10 11:40 AM

Just got the last Box. Thx Greg & Ben.

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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: hunter_angler]
#173161 - 15/12/10 11:41 AM

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...maybe more likely to stop a second shot by the hunter than a charge by the hunted.

I guess you could call the big bore Weatherbys "stopping" rifles because after a few rounds, you STOP shooting them!

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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: tophet1]
#173173 - 15/12/10 09:24 PM

Me and my big mouth, now I will have to wait for some more when I get home. Doh

Edited by Rule303 (15/12/10 09:25 PM)

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Re: weatherby 416 magnum ??s [Re: Rule303]
#173182 - 16/12/10 01:52 AM

The bottom line is you can't go wrong with the Rigby if you want a big magnum length action. Along with the .404 Jeffery one of the two best all around bolt action cartridges for Africa. An effective stopper that can also reach out and touch game at 200 yards.

IMHO, in no way did the .416 WBY improve on it.

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