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9.3x57
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Anybody Use a Cleaver?
      #134975 - 10/05/09 12:25 PM

We butcher quite a bit of game and domestic stock {mostly sheep, chickens, some rabbit} here, and in the past, I've always used a hand meat-saw for cutting chops and separating carcasses. But it is a pain to use, so occaisionally I use one of my parang or bolo knoves for the latter.

Anyway, I have wanted a heavy cleaver for a long time, and just haven't gotten around to making one.

Got the heavy work done today. I annealed the bar, cut it out, shaped and trimmed it, drilled all holes and heat treated it.

It is HEAVY, and will easily cut chops and split carcasses.

Who uses a cleaver for butchering game, etc, anybody??

Here it is, laid out on a scrapped 33 inch Oregon chainsaw bar, my favorite stock for heavy knives.

I'll post along the way.



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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #134976 - 10/05/09 12:34 PM


Yes, I have a really heavy Green River Meat Cleaver.

Works well for cutting through rib cages, legs off etc.


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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #134977 - 10/05/09 12:36 PM

500: Green River as in the old USA maker?

Roughly how thick is the blade?

Here's drilling the handle holes.



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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #134978 - 10/05/09 12:55 PM

I love my cleavers.

Both of them are chinese, one of them is likely a couple or three hundred years old, the other is some mid-20th century kitchen piece.

Both of them are about 1/4" thick.
They'll get through just about anything.
I've cut firewood with them.



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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: tinker]
      #134981 - 10/05/09 01:05 PM



yes, Green River, the US Maker.

They still make them.

Blade is thick, and deep and it weighs a ton so
cuts through anything as it has the weight behind it.


Better than some of the Chinese crap I have also used.


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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #134983 - 10/05/09 01:24 PM

I'll have to look at Green River's cleavers.

I've had both of my cleavers since I was a kid living next to SF Chinatown.

Thanks for the tip 500N!


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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #134984 - 10/05/09 01:30 PM

The one I'm making is .245 thick, just about 1/4 inch, and I made it with a 11 inch blade. I have to weigh it on my postal scale, but it is heavy, and should give me good lamb and mutton chops without having to find cartilage or using the saw.

I put a spring temper thru the ricasso and up the spine a bit, and the edge should go about 52-55 Rockwell hardness.

I'm making it with a sort-of 1 1/3 hand handle, so I can get a tw-hand grip on it for really heavy work, but it still has a good one-hand balance.

I have to decide what to use for handle scales. I have some mountain maple and serviceberry I cut on the ranch here, and also some busted gunstocks. Not sure yet.

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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #135003 - 10/05/09 08:36 PM

I've used a cleaver, tomahawk, axe and chainsaw.


(I'm lying about the chainsaw ... )

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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: NitroX]
      #135014 - 10/05/09 10:08 PM

I've used a chainsaw and an axe with a short handle for breaking down big carcases when breaking them into quarters.
A cleaver is great for breaking down goats,deer,sheep and other small animals.
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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: NitroX]
      #135015 - 10/05/09 10:15 PM

Quote:

I've used a cleaver, tomahawk, axe and chainsaw.


(I'm lying about the chainsaw ... )




I've used a chainsaw also, to quarter elk in the woods with pretty good results, and some fellows keep a small one on their ATV's just for game. They use peanut oil or other food grade oils for chain oil, and they work out pretty well.

I make bolo knives and in the woods normally use one of them for quartering. This cleaver I'm making is really too heavy to carry with me hunting, but should work out pretty well in the "butcher shop" back home.

I've used all sorts of axes when butchering, but the blade shape isn't optimal. I have a nice "Hunter's Axe" by Gransfors Bruks that has nice balance, but the edge is too short for some of the jobs I'll use the cleaver for.

I've seen old pictures of a huge two-handed cleaver being used in a butcher shop {before the days of powered meat saws} and run across various old antique ones from time to time, and they can usually be found for not to much $$, but thought making one would be more "fun" than buying one. Plus, the blades on most I've seen are about 8 inches long, and I wanted a longer blade.

Some, actually, lots I've seen, have VERY thick blades of up to 1/2 inch thickness, which is something of a disadvantage for some uses. Billhooks and fascine knives have such thick blades, but I've never picked up a fascine knife that possessed anything like a comfortable balance. I think those things are fairly common in the UK?? Of course, due to blade shape they cannot make square cuts like the cleaver can.

Here's the thing after heat treatment, ready for the handle scales.

I'm 6 foot 8 and weigh 320 pounds, so you can see it is pretty big.*



* Just kidding. 'Bout half that. The knife is still big, though.



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Edited by 9.3x57 (11/05/09 09:36 AM)


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Re: Anybody Use a Cleaver? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #135064 - 11/05/09 06:33 AM

I own a KOA Brown bear cleaver, the tip is rounded for skinning, its a nice blade.



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Re: Cleaver Done. [Re: tkv000]
      #135078 - 11/05/09 10:43 AM

Finished it up today.

I found a nice piece of walnut so I used that for the grip scales. Epoxied on, then secured with three 3/16 inch iron rivets and washers. Then I submerged the handle in thinned boiled linseed oil for 40 minutes.

The thing is 16 3/4 inches long, just about 1/4 inch thick with an 11 inch blade. It weighs just at 3 pounds even. I ground it slightly concave and buffed the double bevels fo a hair popping final edge. Shaves hair right now.

Oughta work well.



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Re: Cleaver Done. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #135318 - 14/05/09 01:48 AM

It does work well.

Here's a lamb shoulder cut into bone-in steaks. Used this as I could test the thing on the "knuckle" and leg bone. Went thru no problem and bone shows cutting, not crushing, and edge held up well. Cartilage will be butter!



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Re: Cleaver Done. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #136632 - 03/06/09 07:36 PM

That looks great. You've ground a concave edge on the blade and thats perfect for chopping/spliting of bone in a cleaver. The thickness of the blade is good to keep the weight reasonable alot of people make there cleavers with edges to thick to support the edge but it isn't nessesary. I'm a blacksmith by trade and the bars we made for digging stone were'nt as thick as alot of knife blades I've seen.

Nice Work.


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Re: Cleaver Done. [Re: hammersmith]
      #136635 - 03/06/09 08:49 PM

Sometime when I get a decent DSLR I'll post a pic of a quasi cane cutting knife with broad arrow
( WW2 OZ Dept Defence issue). The upper portion is weighted toward the tip with a distinct "bulb" and the lower of a diminishing edge (as an arc a la Kukri). Talk abt multi function!
And I wouldn't care to be the recipient of same.

Anyone seen another as Skennerton didn't know what it was?


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Re: Cleaver Done. [Re: kamilaroi]
      #136639 - 03/06/09 10:15 PM

Thanks fellows.

Kamilaroi, are you speaking of the "bolo"-type Aussie bayonets? With just the description, I'm not sure.

Over the centuries, bayonet and military field knife design hasa always been hampered by the desire to make a utility knife versus a sticking knife for soldiers. Bayonets especially are a conundrum for ordnance and logistical services. A blade that is rarely or never {statistically-speaking} used for its "intended" purpose {sticking the enemy} gets thrown away unless it has some other utilitarian purpose {firewood chopping, can opening, brush-clearing, fingernail-cleaning...etc...}

Anyway, the "bolo-style" Australian blades I've seen were such an attempt at making a useful tool out what is seen by many as a worthless appendage.

Get us a pic if you can.

Have used my cleaver now several times and it works great. Very heavy and makes nice chops and will make the ribs an easy job compared to using the old handsaw.

From here on in, after use, the blade and grip gets rubbed down with olive oil as a rust preventative and grip wood treatment.

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Re: Cleaver Done. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #136682 - 04/06/09 09:36 AM

No mate it's much more solid in cross section than that and may well be a reshaped cleaver though it has an ovoid handle. (BTW I pick up the DSLR in a fortnight.)

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