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Bonde
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Nikon 20-60x82 ProStaff Spotting Scope Zoom
      #134330 - 03/05/09 10:23 PM

Has anyone tried this spottingscope?

Comments and advices to what spottingscope to buy?

Quality and price is about the right level for me.

I'm looking for a rugged and optically good ss that can be lugged along for glassing in mountainous areas for deer, chamois and thar, and will se a fair bit of use throughout the day. As I've dropped the idea of a booster, I thought I might as well go the whole way to a good ss..

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Re: Nikon 20-60x82 ProStaff Spotting Scope Zoom [Re: Bonde]
      #134334 - 03/05/09 11:29 PM

Zeiss, Leica, may be Meopta! Quality is expensiv!

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Re: Nikon 20-60x82 ProStaff Spotting Scope Zoom [Re: grandveneur]
      #134341 - 04/05/09 12:10 AM

I don't think you can fault the high end Nikon glass. I have always preferred Nikon lenses for photography and among birdwatchers I am told that the Nikon 8x42 binoculars were effectively the world class reference standard for years. I don't know about the spotting scope mentioned above, but I am looking forward to trying out the Nikon EDG binoculars. I have some Swarovski 10x42ELs borrowed from a friend but I am holding off buying some until I try the Nikon EDGs. There's alot of snobbery in the optics world and very little objective comparison IMHO. I have noted before that it appears that Swarovski shelved its new HD version of the EL binoculars due out this year because it seems the Nikon EDG beet them to the market. Now miraculously the Swarovskis are being redesigned! Yes you get what you pay for, but I don't like paying for names only! I think you can trust Nikon at each price point to stand up to the competition.

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Re: Nikon 20-60x82 ProStaff Spotting Scope Zoom [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #134500 - 05/05/09 07:18 AM

I've come to the conclusion to buy quality, sooner rather than later.

Has anyone used the Zeiss Diascope T* FL 65mm or 85mm models?

I think I'll go for the 65mm edition that goes from 15-45x magnification.

However, for hunting purposes, would I be better off with the 85mm model that goes fra 20-60x? This one is said to gather a lot more light on overcast days etc..

The latter is a lot more expensive, and heavier, so it's a lot of weight too?

The 65mm can be had for the same price as the Leupold Mark 4 Tactical 20-40x60... So, for the sake of optic-quality, I reckon Zeiss has an edge?

My idea of a light booster has now ended up in buying a Diascope... LOL...

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Re: Nikon 20-60x82 ProStaff Spotting Scope Zoom [Re: Bonde]
      #134587 - 06/05/09 05:05 AM

Bonde,

Out of curiosity, where were you thinking of getting the Nikon 20-60x82 ProStaff, and how much do they go for?


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Re: Nikon 20-60x82 ProStaff Spotting Scope Zoom [Re: EricD]
      #134722 - 07/05/09 06:16 AM

ErikD:

www.theopticsplanet.net
Not too badly priced, we'll probably have to add 25%vat though..

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None who has tried the Zeiss Diascope?

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36 spotting scopes tested - Kowa 88mm wins [Re: Bonde]
      #134893 - 09/05/09 08:16 AM

This is worth a read if thinking about a new scope
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/200...8mm-tops-field/

Last year, the Cornell Ornithology Lab conducted ScopeQuest 2008, a detailed comparison test of 36 spotting scopes. Optics (ranging in price from $220.00 to $4500.00) were viewed side-by-side and rated according to sharpness, color fidelity, edge-to-edge focus, brightness, distortion, and general optical quality. The testing team also considered ease of handling/focus, and eye relief (scopes with longer eye relief are better for eyeglass wearers). Two of the finest spotting scopes AccurateShooter.com has used, the Zeiss Diascope 85 T FL, and the Swarovski APS 80 HD, performed very well as expected, and ended up near the top of the list. The TeleVue-85 APO, a very large refractor, received the highest ratings for image quality (both at 20X and 60X), but lost points for easy of use and general “feel”. The overall winner among the 36 spotting scopes tested was the Kowa TSN-883 Prominar, a new-generation spotter with a huge 88mm objective, dual focusing knobs, and spectacular flourite glass. The results of Cornell’s spotting scope test are found on the LivingBird.org website.

Ken Rosenberg, summarizing the findings of Cornell’s ScopeQuest testers, named the Kowa TSN-883 the big winner. Rosenberg writes: “Fifteen models competed in the most expensive category, including 12 conventional zoom scopes and three astronomy “cross-overs”[.] Among the conventional scopes, the surprising (to us) and virtually unanimous top-of-the-line ranking went to the Kowa TSN-883 Prominar. In side-by-side comparisons with Swarovski, Leica, Zeiss, and Nikon, both Kowa scopes provided a slightly, but noticeably, brighter and crisper image at 60x than any other scope. The three-dimensional detail visible … with these scopes, even in dim light, is simply phenomenal.”

Rosenberg also gave high praise to the Swarovski ATS 65 HD, noting that it was much lighter and compact than the Kowa 883, while offering nearly the image quality. Rosenberg concludes: “For birders willing to take the plunge for the very best optics at whatever cost, the top choices, in my view, are either the Kowa 883/884 or 773/774 or the Swarovski HD 80mm or 65mm scopes. Any of these top scopes will give you years of pure birding pleasure. Although the larger Kowa offers the brightest, sharpest image available from a conventional zoom scope under the toughest birding conditions, the small Swarovski still delivers the best image per ounce of any scope.”

More Products Worth Considering
The Cornell Test did NOT include some premium spotting scopes, including Pentax’s top-of-the-line PF-100ED, or the new Leica 82mm Televid APO HD. The big Leica APO is considered by many experts to be the new benchmark for spotting scope quality. However, it is enormously expensive. The 82mm Leica APO HD retails for $3200 for the body only. That’s nearly $900 more than the Kowa TSN-883 Prominar body only.

Pdf summary of test results here http://www.livingbird.org/netcommunity/bbimages/lb/pdf/ScopeChart2008.pdf

Edited by JabaliHunter (09/05/09 08:35 AM)


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Re: 36 spotting scopes tested - Kowa 88mm wins [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #135098 - 11/05/09 05:23 PM

Birders don't pack these behemoths over 3 mountains in a day with 60-70 pounds of gear like a sheep hunter. The Leupolds and the Bushnell Elites are top for weight to quality ratio (maybe some Nikon's but haven't seen for myself). My Swarovski 65HD is heavier and bulkier than the afaorementioned pair. Sharper, but not as rugged.

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Re: 36 spotting scopes tested - Kowa 88mm wins [Re: albertan]
      #135100 - 11/05/09 07:10 PM

That may be true. At least with the direct comparison of 36 scopes in 3 price brackets, you can rank the price, weight and performance and compare products, some of which I hadn't even heard of!
http://www.livingbird.org/netcommunity/bbimages/lb/pdf/ScopeChart2008.pdf


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Re: 36 spotting scopes tested - Kowa 88mm wins [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #135409 - 15/05/09 11:19 AM

Outdoor Life just sent an email to me with the optics comparison --thought some might wish to review..

Ripp


http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/gear/hunting/2009/05/optics-test-2009

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Re: 36 spotting scopes tested - Kowa 88mm wins [Re: Ripp]
      #139424 - 24/07/09 03:30 AM

I went to a store the other day, having a peek through guite a few of them.

Today a put up an order or the Zeiss 20-60x85mm, it is probably bulkier than most, but performance is superb, it stood well out of the crowd of mid- level spotters.

It will see use on the range for long range shooting 9 out of ten trips, and on the last trip out hunting I'll have to live with the additional 300grms and 5cm of extra length. It will probably safe me from climbing a hill or two anyway

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